Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate

[lancsann]

actually that Edward fits well with the 1861 census. Looking at the image his age is difficult to read but it looks like the same as the 4 (also mistranscribed) for Ellen making his age 14 not 17 and therefore his birth year birth year 1846/7 - the same as in that death posted by Jonw65

on the other hand it is also the same as the Edward in 1851 son of Thomas & Judith!!!

[heywood]

Yes, I agree 

Good fun, isn’t it. 

[jonwarrn]

Presumably Edward is the son in earlier census.

Hi
I think Luke believes Edward is around later, and he may be right, because I honestly don't know who that one is!
Personally, I think Luke might be safer getting the Julia Logan death certificate from 1877, and seeing what it says before thinking about the Thomas one.
John

[gnorman]

Hi everyone, thank you all for your hard work here.

Jon I'm not sure about Edward - I found (with help) a possibility for him on the 1911 Census
'1911 Census possibility Withington Workhouse, Didsbury. Edward Logan, Patient, aged 66 (lunatic from 65), Widower, former shoe maker, birth place unknown' - I do not have any evidence for him though so it could easily be this Edward instead (and my heart is leaning towards Edward Logan, Tailer.

I have been looking through the burial pages supplied by Jon, Lancsann & Heather Julie - there are more people in the grave but no Logans. There is no mention of them being public graves (as there are on many of the graves). The people are;

D 153
James Taylor, son of Thos Taylor, 9 months, of Bow Lane, buried 19th May 1877

D 298
Thomas Cunliffe, Tailor, 36, of Half Street, buried 7th April 1877
Mary Keefe, daughter of John Keefe, 11 months, of Temple Street, buried 7th April 1877
Annie Mc Lighe, daughter of Edw Lighe, 13, of (Same address as Patarick McGann), buried 19th April
Stephen Leonard, son of Patrick Leonard, 4 months, of Bank Top Street, buried 21st April 1877
Patarick McGann, labourer, 41, of Court, buried 3rd May 1877
James Cunliffe, son of Thos Cunliffe, 4, of Half Street, buried 5th May 1877
Catherine Mulloy, daughter of Martin Molloy, 2.5 yrs, of WolstenHolme Buildings, buried 5th May 1877

This second grave must be a public grave though mustnt it?

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Yes it must be a public grave. I failed to find any graves registers, obviously didn't need them

Are you not concerned that it said Julia was the "wife of Thos Logan"? I know that the possible Julia in 1871 was a widow.
Clarify that - concerned regarding the other 1870 Thomas death I mean.
John

[gnorman]

Having said that theres a few groupings;

Thomas and James Cunliffe have the same address
Annie and Patrick share an address
Catherine and Julia share an address

Where it says son / daughter for each person most of the first names seem to be abreviated so I'm guessing Jon that Thos is Thomas (finger crossed) - the Thomas Cunliffe buried here for example seems to be the dad of James Cunliffe but his grave lists him as the son of Thos Cunliffe.

[gnorman]

Jon, this all seems very confusing but the Thomas Logan I began this thread with seems to me unlikely to be my Thomas.

Does anyone else think it strange too that they are all buried in such a short amount of time. Esp James Cunliffe and Catherine Mulloy, buried in the same grave and on the same day - is that normal for a public grave?

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Let us know how you get on with any certificates, if you order any.
Throw in this! Is it connected?
Baptism of Maria at Ahascragh and Killosolan, Galway, 25 Oct 1843
born on the 19th
parents Thomas Laughan or Laughon (as transcribed) + Judith Higgins
Image
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633859#page/39/mode/1up

[Meelystar]

I would do as John suggests and look at the certificate for Julia first, it’s a much more unusual name and you are more likely to be rewarded for your efforts.