Right or Wrong Death Certiifcate

[lancsann]

There does not seem to be much similarity between those 2 census returns other than Thomas was a tailor. All birth years are very different.

Which of Thomas’s children is your ancestor?

[heywood]

I would think it possible that these are the same family

I assume this is 1861

Thomas Logan   50
Julia Logan   44
Edward Logan   17
Onora Logan   12
Margaret Logan   7
Ellen Logan   11 (mistranscribed - should be age 4)
Ann Logan   2

There is this one in 1851 where Thomas was born 1822 but it seems to be a different family to the 1861 I posted. In both Thomas was a tailor

Thomas Logan   29
Judith Logan   28
Patsy Logan   10 (male)
Edward Logan   4
Ann Logan   1
Robert Oledeah   66
Mary Reed   59

Julia/Judith often found as alternatives in Irish records
Ann - Hanora/ Honora could be heard as Onora

[lancsann]

But would there be an Ann in 1851 who turns into Onera/Honera/Haora in 1861 with a sister Ann age 2. That was the main point I was wondering about.

Unfortunately the address on the marriage of Annie in 1872 her address is 3 Bank st but they were not there in 1871.

[heywood]

I wondered that too 

Lancashire BMD and GRO shows birth of
Ellen Logan 1857 mmn Higgins
Margaret Logan 1854 mmn Higgins

I can’t yet see Ann who is 2 yrs in 1861

Manchester Catholic Records    https://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php   show that Julia Higgins is the mother of Ellen Logan in 1857 and Ann in 1860.
Thomas Logan is shown as father to both plus Margaret in 1854

I can’t see a birth for a female Logan abt 1849 

[lancsann]

I could not see a birth reg either but the Annie who married in 1872 was age 23. Confusing

[heywood]

It is puzzling. If my theory was good, there would be a Logan/Higgins birth in late 1840s for Ann/Onora.

There is, though, a gap between Onora and Margaret so maybe a second relationship for Thomas 

[heywood]

I see there are several posts/threads about the family so most of this is probably known to Luke.
Maybe be best to hear what he thinks. 

[jonwarrn]

There's a death of another Thomas in 1870
June 1870 Manchester 8d 194
Logan, Thomas   
age 44   

Bury has been mentioned
June 1877 Bury 8c 317
Logan, Julia   
age 51

Whoever those two are, they have the same approximate year of birth

[gnorman]

Thank you everyone, my relative is Ellen Entwistle nee Logan. Despite lots of searching and lots of help here on different aspects of the family I cannot confirm with any certainty exactly who is who other than Ellen. I will send for the certificate you mention jonw65.

You guys far out weigh me in your knowledge and I thank you for your help.

I will plough through all this and see what I can substantiate.

Luke