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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 17:12 BST (UK) »
I agree with you Linda, the signatures are very much alike.
We need someone who can superimpose them.

Thank you Mckha489...what a brilliant idea.

Is there anyone out there that is able to do that?
Cash, Bethnal Green, Spitalfields, Shoreditch, London
Jones, Carmarthenshire?, Whitechapel, London
Sullivan, Cork or Kerry, Whitechapel, London
Flint - Shillington (Beds), St. Albans, Shoreditch, London.
Haslam - Marylebone, London (formerly Limerick, Ireland)
Nolan - Tipperary, Ireland
Walter - Somerset, England
Gunningham - Bristol, England
Fountain (possibly Huguenot descent) - Cross, Somerset
Gedmatch Id: T041555
Paternal Uncle (Cash Family) Gedmatch Id: T193819

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 17:14 BST (UK) »
His signature should also appear on the 1911 census form.

Thank you JenB - just checked this and he’s written Mr Jones...the Jones looks the same.
Cash, Bethnal Green, Spitalfields, Shoreditch, London
Jones, Carmarthenshire?, Whitechapel, London
Sullivan, Cork or Kerry, Whitechapel, London
Flint - Shillington (Beds), St. Albans, Shoreditch, London.
Haslam - Marylebone, London (formerly Limerick, Ireland)
Nolan - Tipperary, Ireland
Walter - Somerset, England
Gunningham - Bristol, England
Fountain (possibly Huguenot descent) - Cross, Somerset
Gedmatch Id: T041555
Paternal Uncle (Cash Family) Gedmatch Id: T193819

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 20:17 BST (UK) »
I haven’t been able to find him or my great grandmother on the 1891 Census.

Maybe in St George in the East, I think they could be Jones.
piece 288 folio 62 page 47
26 Lowder Street
Alfred Jones Head 22 Dock Labourer, born London S Georges (dittoed from above)
Eliza Jones Wife 23 London Whitechapel

Transcribed as Ives on findmpast/familysearch and Ines on ancestry (you can see why)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q45F-HW2

Birth of daughter?
JONES, SARAH  ANN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 373

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 20:35 BST (UK) »
Birth of daughter?

Catholic baptism at Underwood Road in 1891 of Sarah Anne Jones, parents Alfred and Eliza.
Could that be them? Have no more info.


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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 20:54 BST (UK) »
St George in the East
piece 288 folio 62 page 47
26 Lowder Street

A John and Rebecca Turner are among the other occupants of number 26 Lowder Street in 1891.
A cousin called Ellen is with them, is she also a Jones, mistranscribed again? :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q456-KW2

It's John Turner who is on the electoral register at 26 Lowder in 1892, and it says -
Lowder Street
(Late York Place, Old Gravel Lane)

Alfred Jones gave his residence as 11 York's Place on his marriage to Eliza in 1889.
Could it be the same street?
(A James Jones is one of those at number 11 Lowder in 1891, but it is a common name).

Add in York Place electors in 1890
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99FL-3S95-P?i=80&cc=2228170

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 21:37 BST (UK) »
I haven’t been able to find him or my great grandmother on the 1891 Census.

Maybe in St George in the East, I think they could be Jones.
piece 288 folio 62 page 47
26 Lowder Street
Alfred Jones Head 22 Dock Labourer, born London S Georges (dittoed from above)
Eliza Jones Wife 23 London Whitechapel

Transcribed as Ives on findmpast/familysearch and Ines on ancestry (you can see why)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q45F-HW2

Birth of daughter?
JONES, SARAH  ANN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 373

Thank you so much jonw65, I would never have found this information and would never have thought Jones could be transcribed as Ines, however yes I can see why! I will pass this info onto my cousin in Australia we have been looking for our Jones/Sullivan ancestors for a number of years.

Yes, that is my grandmother, Sarah Ann Jones born 1891, I have a copy of her birth certificate.
Cash, Bethnal Green, Spitalfields, Shoreditch, London
Jones, Carmarthenshire?, Whitechapel, London
Sullivan, Cork or Kerry, Whitechapel, London
Flint - Shillington (Beds), St. Albans, Shoreditch, London.
Haslam - Marylebone, London (formerly Limerick, Ireland)
Nolan - Tipperary, Ireland
Walter - Somerset, England
Gunningham - Bristol, England
Fountain (possibly Huguenot descent) - Cross, Somerset
Gedmatch Id: T041555
Paternal Uncle (Cash Family) Gedmatch Id: T193819

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 21:46 BST (UK) »
Birth of daughter?

Catholic baptism at Underwood Road in 1891 of Sarah Anne Jones, parents Alfred and Eliza.
Could that be them? Have no more info.

I am sure this is the baptism of my grandmother, her mother Eliza was of Catholic Irish descent and my father (Sarah Jones’s son) and his siblings were all raised as Catholics.
Thank you so much for the info.
Cash, Bethnal Green, Spitalfields, Shoreditch, London
Jones, Carmarthenshire?, Whitechapel, London
Sullivan, Cork or Kerry, Whitechapel, London
Flint - Shillington (Beds), St. Albans, Shoreditch, London.
Haslam - Marylebone, London (formerly Limerick, Ireland)
Nolan - Tipperary, Ireland
Walter - Somerset, England
Gunningham - Bristol, England
Fountain (possibly Huguenot descent) - Cross, Somerset
Gedmatch Id: T041555
Paternal Uncle (Cash Family) Gedmatch Id: T193819

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 22:24 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure if this is connected, but looking for births of Alfred Jones c1869 turns up this one:

JONES, ALFRED mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 449

St George in the East Workhouse register of births:
7 Nov 1868 Alfred Jones, Mother: Sarah Jones. Legitimate

Sarah Jones b 1832 admitted to St George Workhouse 7 Nov 1868 in labour.  Discharged with Alfred 28 Nov 1868.

Other Jones children registered with the mmn Chapman in St George in the East include Francis Robert in 1862, and his baptism on 4 May 1862 at St Mary Stepney gives his parents as Henry & Sarah Jones, Labourer, of Lower Well Alley, St George

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Possibly them in 1861 at 8 Duke Street, St George in the East
Henry Jones 31 Dock Labourer b St George, Middx
Sarah Jones 30 wife Tailoress b Wimbledon (?) Surrey
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Great grandfather Alfred Jones - a bigamist.
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 23:44 BST (UK) »
Following on from my last post, I'm mighty confused!   

What appears to be twins are registered in in St George in the East in 1861:
JONES, HENRY EDWARDS mmn    CHAPMAN  GRO Ref: 1861  M Quarter  Volume 01C  Page 466
JONES, JOHN THOMAS      mmn CHAPMAN  GRO Ref: 1861  M Quarter  Volume 01C  Page 466

Both twins died in the same quarter, but there is a baptism at St Peter, London Docks:
26 Feb 1861 (born 31 Jan 1861) John Thomas s/o Henry & Sarah Jones, Labourer, 9 Lower Well Alley (same address as Francis Robert in 1862)

In 1861 at 9 Lower Well Alley, St George in the East - RG09/281/123/28
Martha Chapman 68 Head, Widow, Shirt (or Sheet) Maker b Woodbridge, Suffolk
Charlotte Turner 35 Daur b Stepney
Sarah Chapman 28 Daur Unmarried Ship(?) Trowser Maker b Stepney (Elizah on FindMyPast)
John Turner 14 Errand Boy b St George in the East

ADDED: In 1881 at 12 Lower Well Alley are John & Rebecca Turner & family
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.