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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 19:44 BST (UK) »
More tea ? Vicar.  It looks like one.  Does this make it any easier to compare your mystery men ?
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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 19:50 BST (UK) »
The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.

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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 19:59 BST (UK) »
The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.

Yes, thank you Ian - why do people in photos move their heads round so you can't compare properly?

But a-l, the left hand and middle photo ARE the same man.  It's the mystery man in my wedding photo without a hat, and then with a bowler cleverly added by Ian  ;)
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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 20:20 BST (UK) »
The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.

Yes, thank you Ian - why do people in photos move their heads round so you can't compare properly?

But a-l, the left hand and middle photo ARE the same man.  It's the mystery man in my wedding photo without a hat, and then with a bowler cleverly added by Ian  ;)
 

No wonder they look alike Igor , I'll change my specs  ;D ;D


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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 23:06 BST (UK) »
Not the same person, the guy into right is older and still appears to have more hair than the other younger guy.
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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 11 June 20 10:26 BST (UK) »
Not the same person, the guy into right is older and still appears to have more hair than the other younger guy.
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Thank you Carol.
 
The RH side picture is definitely my Gx2 Grandfather James Pay (1839-1932) riding a tricycle prob 1915-1920.  This is 5 or more years later than the 1911 wedding photo, when he would have been 72.

The LH side picture is the mystery man from the wedding photo, and could be my G Grandfather William Thomas Wade (1845-1928) and if so, he'd have been 66 at the time in 1911.

I am beginning to think it may be William which is particularly exciting as I've had very few pictures of that side of the family.  And his resemblance to my brother has made me think through all the likenesses I've seen previously in the family!
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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 18 June 20 04:01 BST (UK) »
One in colour :)
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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 18 June 20 06:28 BST (UK) »
seating position  maybe helps with who he is....?

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Re: Exciting discovery - clean if possible? Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 18 June 20 10:09 BST (UK) »
GMac78 - thank you so much!!  That's marvellous!!!

Fantastic work - thanks to you and to all the restorers.  There's my grandad and gran large as life and twice as natural  ;D

Xin, the mystery man, either my greatx2 grandfather James Pay, or possibly my great grandfather William Thomas Wade, is next to the bride, my grandmother Mabel Emily Wade.  I have no idea who the lady sitting on the other side of him is. 

In terms of positioning, the groom's father is standing right, in the light suit, and his wife the groom's mother is standing on the other side, next to the shed.

The bride's mother is, I think, just in front of the groom's mother, sitting in the row with the bride and groom.

So potentially her husband, the bride's father, could be the mystery man.

However, my greatx2 grandfather James Pay, was 71 at the time of the wedding, and would - I think - have wanted to be present at his eldest grandchild's wedding.  And if the mystery man isn't him, then he isn't there.

I fear I will never know.  I think mystery man looks like my brother, but neither he nor my s-i-l see any resemblance.

But it's a lovely picture none the less!!!   ;D



Added:  by the way, do we all think that's the vicar standing just behind the bride and groom? Ian thought so, and It looks like it, but isn't that quite unusual in photos of this type?  I don't believe I've seen it before?
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Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex