Gertrude

[garstonite]

Quote - I looked at her children's baptisms....the first two in St Francis de Sales in the Walton area of Liverpool , then the next two in St Patricks the other side of Liverpool in Toxteth, then the last two back to St Francis de Sales....to me that is unusual.

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Leonard was a Carter and could easily have been transferred by the Mersey Dock and Harbour board from Walton - to Toxteth and back again - Liverpool Docks were the busiest in the world at the time - departures to the USA / Canada / Australia / South Afric /India / New Zealand etc ...Leonard would have been a busy man

[footiestuds]

Hi garstonite
Thanks for reply. i understand the moving about due to transfers, job etc

What I'm wondering about is their living in Bardsay Road twice and thought maybe one or both of them might have been there in 1901 - if so possibly more clues as to Gertrudes past

Leonard Rice Cole has WW1 Service Medals
Military Year1914-1920
Rank Gunner
CompanyWO 329
Regiment or Corps Royal Garrison Artillery
Regiment Number 292055
Medal Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal
No service record found so far but probably because one of those destroyed ?

Thanks again

[footiestuds]

I have Gertrudes 2nd marriage certificate

Register Office District Bootle

3rd July 1948
William Thompson - 70 - Widower - Security Officer, Pool Promoters
Residence - 16 Rogers Avenue Bootle
Father - James Thompson - Deceased - Farmer

Gertrude Cole - 69 - Widow
Residence - 42 Keir Hardie Avenue Bootle
Father - William Edwards - Deceased - Tailor

Witnesses - J W Cole + G Smith

It's definitely our Gertrude - age correct, same address - just another surname for Father!

I've found all possible records for William Thompson including he + his first wife lived 11 doors down from Gertrude + Leonard in 1939 + presumably till his wifes death in 1946

Also Gertrude died in 1956 + is buried in the same grave as Leonard + their youngest son at Kirkdale Cemetery

I've tried all different combos of the surnames but haven't managed to link it all together
 

[lancsann]

I wonder of the registrar just did not hear Gertrude's father's name correctly

William Edward Stead = William Edward(s)

The only birth in Nottingham in the dec qtr 1879 with an unmarried mothers name is Gertrude Dakin but there is a Gertrude Daykin death 18890 in Basford so probably not

Maybe Gertrude was an adopted child and her name was completely changed from her birth name

[footiestuds]

Thanks Lancsann. I thought that a possibility too but can't figure how she married as Stead the first time around
As you say it's possible she was adopted
Hopefully something will link up somewhere
Thanks again

[amondg]

The Gertrude Cole on the passenger list 1911 is not your Gertrude if you go to page 2 she is going to join her husband John Cole.

[jonwarrn]

What was her age on the marriage certificate, because if she was born 21 Nov according to the 1939 Register, then her age in 1911, and that given by her family on her death suggests Gertrude ought to have been born in 1878.

Godmothers - Elizabeth Stead - Ada Rossitter (twice)
Witness - Lizzie Stead

Lizzie Stead was a witness to the marriage? And may be the Elizabeth Stead who was godmother to the first child?
In which case there must be a relevant Elizabeth Stead about somewhere!

Free index to 1911 census has an Elizabeth Stead, 31, born Nottingham, a cook in Neston Cum Parkgate on the Wirral, so not far from Gertrude
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW3F-5SF

No other sign of such an Elizabeth, and, of course, we don't know that Gertrude really was born in Nottingham.
But a strange baptism entry at Sneinton St Stephen, 11 March 1883, the transcript says Elizabeth, father Stead, and no first names of either parent!

Can you tell us please
Who was the other marriage witness?
Was Leonard's family catholic?

[footiestuds]

Thank you both for your replies.

amondg - Thank you for clarifying and ruling out the passenger list

jonw65 - Her age on her 1st marriage certificate was 25 and 69 on her second.
The other witness on her 1st marriage was John Hodgson Cole, Leonard's older brother and the witnesses on her 2nd marriage certificate were J W Cole (presumably her son) and G S Smith ?

I'm not sure if Leonard's family were catholic. I have christenings for some of his siblings. His parents were buried in Kirkdale Cemetery in the C section, understanding this as Consecrated section.
He, Gertrude and two of their sons are in the Roman Cathloic Section and I think nearly all of their children were baptised in RC Churches.

I'll look into the Sneinton baptism and the Elizabeth Stead lead but as you say we don't know about Nottingham
Thanks again I appreciate it
 

[footiestuds]

jonw65 - I can't seem to find the Sneinton baptism - where did you find it?

Also typo error on second marriage witness - it should have been G Smith - only G Smith I can relate to it is Gertrude's daughter Gertrude May Smith