Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea

[JustinL]

Our posts crossed ... too slow typing ...

I think you've found them, Sam. Interestingly, I cannot find 1142/31 on ancestry even when I browse through St. Martin, Birmingham.

Henrietta and Rosetta were recorded together at 31 Cockspur Street in 1851
Henrietta was recorded with her brother William and niece, Pauline Schletter, in 1881

It makes absolute sense that the family were in Birmingham in 1841, in proximity to Martin Schletter, Helen's future husband. Where was Helen, I wonder?

The name Philip Abraham Phillips has come up many times in searches I have done. It always struck me as very likely that he was Abraham's son, but it's good to get confirmation.

[Sam Swift]

Henrietta Phillips died 21 Sep at 1902 of 42 Marine Parade Brighton, spinster . Probate London 8 January  to  Maurice Arthur Mendes de Leon Esq. Effects £1088 14s 10d

1851 Census William b Phillips lodging 65 Princess street Charing Cross – commercial clerk  born 1816
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNK-6KS

The 1841  Census for Sarah, Henrietta and Leopold is at : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBR-PKC

[Sam Swift]

Some more info on the Phillips brothers, who seemed to have designed medals and a Royal Frame

Phillips Brothers of Cockspur street Goldmsiths https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/people/cp110197/phillips-brothers-and-sons

They made the Star, order of St. John medal, & one miniature awarded to Dr. George Shuttleworth
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co74651/star-order-of-st-john-medal-awarded-to-dr-geor-medals

1843 Listing for Phillips Bros in Directory https://www.londonwiki.co.uk/London1843/London1843P8.shtml

and relating to art - https://theframeblog.com/tag/cockspur-street/
Sow the Egyptian frame attributed to the Phillips Brothers. Under image of Royal Charter Stamp with the Brothers' name and address, it has some info on the their family:
"The only clue which it offers is the label on the backboard, of ‘Phillips,/23 Cockspur St/ London’, beneath the Royal crown. This is the label of the jewellers, Phillips Brothers, also known as Robert Phillips, founded by Robert and his brother Magnus at some point before 1839. According to the 1841 census, Magnus was much older than Robert (40 to his 26), and was classified as a silversmith, whilst Robert was a watch maker.  Magnus died in 1847, and the 1851 census records Robert, by now 36, as having been born in Abergavenny, Monmouth, and describes him as a goldsmith and jeweller.  Magnus’s place in the business is later filled by Robert’s son, Alfred (born 1845/46). In 1869 the name of the firm changes to Phillips Brothers & Son to reflect Alfred’s becoming a partner with his father; he takes over completely in 1884, Robert having died in 1881[2]. This means that the label (unless slightly out of date, which may be unlikely on a Royal commission), gives an end date for the frame of 1869, because of the name change; the Prince’s tour itself giving an earliest date of summer, 1862."

[JustinL]

Surely Magnus was the "M. Phillips, 25, watchmaker" recorded with Rosetta and Fanny in 1841 in Spring Garden, Charing Cross

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pn3/

[Sam Swift]

Yes Justin you're right, that's probably him.

His brothers William and Robert are at 32 Cockspur street https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQJ7-N5D (not sure if we already had that)

Magnus died in 1847 and a detah notice confirms him as a son of Abraham Phillips - Mr Magnus Phillips, of Cockspur street, second son of the late Mr Abraham Phillips esq, formerly of of Abergavenny – At Hereford road, Westbourne grove        In:Oxford Journal 14 August 1847. P.4

[LCohen]

I got Sarah Watkins form Sam. We now saying that's incorrect?

Sarah dies, as Justin says in 1847,
Sarah wife of late Abraham Phillips Esq of Abergavenny. She died aged 62 in Cockspur street London died on 7 March 1849 reported in Sun (London) 10 Mar 1849, p.8 
She left a will (prerogative of Cantebury - online). In this she names a nephew John Morgan of Nantyglo - could be the one that's in the same schedule of one of the censuses.Also names William Watkins,  the son of her late brotheralso named William Watkins. So her maiden name must have been WATKINS. Also names a brother Gilbert Watkins and her sister Mary teh wife of George Morgan, Joyce Watkins the widow of her late brother  Thomas Watkins, names John ?? Watkins as sole executor and adds in a codicil that she leaves items to her niece Hannah Watkins dughter of her brother Benjamin. There are some other names earlier in the will, which I'm having difficulty seeing online. Sarah Phillips  Probate Date 27 Apr 1847
Residence   Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales. The codicil was added just a few dies before her death which was apparently in Cockspur street Fulham.

[LCohen]

https://www.whistler.arts.gla.ac.uk/correspondence/people/biog/?bid=Schl_A&initial=S

Annie Schletter relationship with James McNeill Whistler (11 July 1834 - 17 July 1903), artist.

[Sam Swift]

I got Sarah Watkins form Sam. We now saying that's incorrect?

Sarah dies, as Justin says in 1847,
Sarah wife of late Abraham Phillips Esq of Abergavenny. She died aged 62 in Cockspur street London died on 7 March 1849 reported in Sun (London) 10 Mar 1849, p.8 
She left a will (prerogative of Canterbury - online). In this she names a nephew John Morgan of Nantyglo - could be the one that's in the same schedule of one of the censuses.Also names William Watkins,  the son of her late brotheralso named William Watkins. So her maiden name must have been WATKINS. Also names a brother Gilbert Watkins and her sister Mary teh wife of George Morgan, Joyce Watkins the widow of her late brother  Thomas Watkins, names John ?? Watkins as sole executor and adds in a codicil that she leaves items to her niece Hannah Watkins dughter of her brother Benjamin. There are some other names earlier in the will, which I'm having difficulty seeing online. Sarah Phillips  Probate Date 27 Apr 1847
Residence   Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales. The codicil was added just a few dies before her death which was apparently in Cockspur street Fulham.

Yes Leonard the above is incorrect. This is not Sarah Phillips. It is the Sarah Phillips of Tudor street Abergavenny on the 1841 census which is also not the correct 1841 census entry for the Sarah we are seeking.. We assumed she must have died in Abergavenny, but the 1847 will above confirms that the Sarah at Tudor street is not the right one. The 1841 census entry for Warwickshire could I mentioned a few posts ago be the correct one.


The correct will for Sarah Phillips

The correct Sarah Phillips married to Abraham Phillips did write a will and she died in 1849 see Prerogative of Canterbury link on Ancestry (or otherwise look up Sarah Phillips with a probate date of 25 Apr 1849 at Middlessex, England),

In this will the Sarah Phillips gives her address as Cockspur street, names her two unmarried daughters Henrietta and Rosetta and names her 3 sons William Benjamin Phillips, Robert Abraham Phillips, Philip Abraham Phillips as executors.   


https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=zVY4786&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=5111&gsfn=sarah&gsln=phillips&gsfn_x=NP_NN_NIC&gsln_x=NN&msydy=1849&msydm=4&msydd=25&msddy=1849&new=1&rank=1&uidh=av2&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=36&fh=0&h=393139&recoff=&ml_rpos=1&queryId=739168a151b5bfe00035afd15cc7ab9f

[LCohen]

Okay, cool, thanks