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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #108 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 18:01 BST (UK) »
Cool, thanks, Sam.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #109 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 19:06 BST (UK) »
There's a Sarah Phillips – shopkeeper living at Tudor st Abergavenny 1841 aged 60 (so born about 1781)

Then there's an entry in the 1830 and 1842-44 Pigot's Directory
1842-1844 for Abergavenny for Sarah Phillips shopkeeper Tudor st

Sarah must have been widowed by 1823 – since there is an ad relating to Sarah Phillips auctioning unredeemed pledges from her Abergavenny Pawnbrokers shop - Bristol Mirror 06 September 1823, p.2

See Gwent Record Office Catalogue where there's an 1814 depsoition by Mary Minett servant of Mr Abraham Phillips pawnbroker for theft  = Mary Minett, servant to Mr Abraham Phillip s of Abergavenny, pawnbroker, concerning various article s of clothin g that have been stolen. D.1078.88 l8l 4 January 15 Depositions and Examination

I think there was also another daughter -   On 1st Nov 1843 Marriage of  M C Schletter esq of Birmingham to Helen younger  daughter of the late Abraham Phillips esq Abergavenny  at Gloucester Villa Regent’s Park in the Bristol Times and Mirror 18 Nov 1843 


31 Mar 1835 Sarah Phillips Pawnbroker files for Insolvency to be discharged Perry's Bankrupt Gazette 04 April 1835, p.6 

There's no mention of her in relation to Pawnbroking by 1835 when the only references to Panwbrokers were for Nathan Isaacs see  Hereford Times 12 December 1835, so maybe he took it over.

Her son Leopold Philips dies 20 July 1847 aged 20 at Margate - reported in Monmouthshire Beacon 31 July 1847, p3  - described as the youngest son of the late Mr Phillips Pawnbroker of Abergavenny,, Says the young man was much respected and sincerely lamented by a large circle of friends and acquantances.

The second daughter of Sarah and Abraham Phillips gets married - 16 Nov 1833 – married at st Mary’s church Abergavenny, by the Rev W Powell, Mr Boulter to Charlotte the second daughter of Sarah Phillips Pawnbroker late of Abergavenny, granddaughter to the late Zaleg Phillips of London, for many years clerk to the Hamburgh Jewish Synagogue of that place. The bride has been brought up in the Jewish faith which she abjured previous to her marriage. In Hereford Times 16 November 1833 , p.3

Sarah dies, as Justin says in 1847,
Sarah wife of late Abraham Phillips Esq of Abergavenny. She died aged 62 in Cockspur street London died on 7 March 1849 reported in Sun (London) 10 Mar 1849, p.8 
She left a will (prerogative of Cantebury - online). In this she names a nephew John Morgan of Nantyglo - could be the one that's in the same schedule of one of the censuses.Also names William Watkins,  the son of her late brotheralso named William Watkins. So her maiden name must have been WATKINS. Also names a brother Gilbert Watkins and her sister Mary teh wife of George Morgan, Joyce Watkins the widow of her late brother  Thomas Watkins, names John ?? Watkins as sole executor and adds in a codicil that she leaves items to her niece Hannah Watkins dughter of her brother Benjamin. There are some other names earlier in the will, which I'm having difficulty seeing online. Sarah Phillips  Probate Date 27 Apr 1847
Residence   Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales. The codicil was added just a few dies before her death which was apparently in Cockspur street Fulham.


In 1841 there are 3 Phillipses a Rosetta born 1811, a Fanny born and an M phillips - male a watchmaker born 1816 and Fanny born 1821 all born outside of the county
St Martin in the Fields, Middlesex HO107/739 Book: 3 /39 p 1

I looked at Cockspur street on the 1851 census and living there was Harriet and and Rosetta Phillips, born Abergavenny

Can't find them on the 1861 census, but in 1871 they are lodging at Gloucester Grove with a widowed Harriet Lancaster and her sister in law. None of them ahve an occupation. 1871 Census; RG10/53/11 p 14

Rosetta and sister Harriet were living at 31 Cockspur street in 1871 and in 1880 Rosetta died.
http://www.cemeteryscribes.com/getperson.php?personID=I8532&tree=Cemeteries



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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #110 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 19:20 BST (UK) »
GRO Says Leopold was Leopold Maurice Phillips aged 27    
PHILLIPS, LEOPOLD  MAURICE     27 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in ISLE OF THANET  Volume 05  Page 354

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #111 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 19:36 BST (UK) »
Charlotte Phillips who married Mr Boulter in 1833 was born in about 1810 and had a daughter Henrietta born in 1835 in city of Leicster. They are both on the 1851 census , but Mr Boulter is not there.    Buttesland Street, Shoreditch
HO107 Piece number   1535 Folio   589 Page   23


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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #112 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 19:45 BST (UK) »
Charlotte is widowed in the 1861Census, living with her daughter Henrietta now 24 and Charlotte's BROTHER William Phillips an unmarried jeweller born Abergavenny aged 45, born in 1816

House number   13
Street   St Georges Terrace
Parish   St Mary Abbotts Kensington
City or borough   -
Town   Kensington
County   London, Middlesex
Country   England
Municipal ward   -
Parliamentary borough   -
Ecclesiastical district   St Mary Abbotts
Registration district   Kensington
Enumeration district   -
Archive reference   RG09
Piece number   17
Folio   12
Page   25

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #113 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 20:19 BST (UK) »
Name:   Charlotte Jane Philipps
Gender:   Female
Marriage Date:   11 Nov 1833
Marriage Place:   Abergavenny, Monmouth, England
Spouse:   Edward Daniel Boulter


1881 Census Charlotte is living with her daughter Henrietta C Emmett who has married (hsuband William Henry Emett a lithographer is not on the census) and children at 3 Percy Rd Hammersmith, Fulham.
Children are
Frederick W. Emett   16
Edward H. Emett   14
Arthur Emett   12
Rose Emett   10
Ellen M. Emett   5
all born Kensington and the 3 eldest boys all baptised on 8 March 1870 at St Stephens's Kensington (CofE)

Charlotte died in 1881
Boulter    Charlotte   age  74    Fulham    1a   155   

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #114 on: Thursday 18 June 20 08:50 BST (UK) »
Some excellent discoveries there, Sam.

However, the will of 1847 is not the will of Abraham's wife who died 2 years later. Furthermore, I cannot imagine that Sarah (wife of Abraham) would not mention any of her many children in her will.

Added: The Hereford Times of 20 March 1847 reported the death of "Sarah, relict of the late Mr. Henry Phillips, late of Abergavenny" on th 8th.

The Sarah Phillips recorded in Tudor Street in 1841 is living with her nephew John Morgan

Sarah Phillips was a remarkably commonplace name.

Are you sure that Leonard was 20, and not 30, when he died? You cited the 1823 article about Sarah auctioning unredeemed pledges. I agree that it does suggest that she was already widowed. If Leonard appeared in 1827, it raises a question about the identity of his father.

Added: I found the death notice. Leopold was 27 years old.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #115 on: Thursday 18 June 20 10:14 BST (UK) »
Following Sam's approach, I checked the residents of Cockspur Street in 1841. At no. 31, where Rosetta and Harriet Phillips were living in 1851, there were Robert (aged 26) and William (aged 20) Phillips. Both watchmakers or matchmakers, I think, and not born in the county.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/MDXHO107_738_740-0188?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&backurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2F

The older man was the goldsmith and jeweller Robert Abraham Phillips, b. about 1815 Abergavenny, married Helen Levy on 23 Nov 1842 in London. They most likely married in the New Synagogue in whose registers the births of a couple of their children were recorded. Robert's Hebrew name was Ruben son of Abraham.

William turns up in 1871 as a goldsmith "boarding" with the widowed Charlotte Boulter in Kensington. Both born in Abergavenny. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01plz/

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #116 on: Thursday 18 June 20 16:20 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Rosetta and Harriet Phillips were descendant from which sibling of Charlotte Cohen (née Phillips)?

Thanks

Leonard