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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 09 June 20 20:06 BST (UK) »
I'm checking out the links now.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 19:39 BST (UK) »
Going back a bit

Hi Leonard
In 1901 Rosabella Joseph (dau of Rosetta and Michael Marks) was still living in Highfeld st Swansea. with a spinster "companion"  who was born in Jamaica named Mary Bason, which I thought was a bit unusual. I haven't been able to find any other reference to her though.

Swansea was not somewhere associated with the slave trade as far as I know. It was renowned as being the centre of Copper making, with copper ore being shipped from South America and other places that had copper ore.

The Mary Ann moved in 1911 to be a companion to a widow of a merchant in London.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5V-JVB

Mary Ann is the daughter of HALBERT Basan who was born in Jamaica but was back in London in the 1841 census. He was a member of the Stock exchange & stock broker. He got married to Matilda Delgado. 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB62-QL4

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-FX88

And on the copper side of things, there were boats also bringing copper ore from Cuba to Swansea.



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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #65 on: Wednesday 10 June 20 19:48 BST (UK) »
Cool, I'll check it out now, thanks, sam.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 11 June 20 09:27 BST (UK) »
I haven't checked if this link has already been posted but if you are checking Jamaican records -
http://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com


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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 11 June 20 09:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks, yes, I've seen this site.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 11 June 20 14:20 BST (UK) »
More Cohens and Levys!!

In the 1891 census, Solomon's and Rebecca's daughter Zipporah Levy was recorded as a visitor in the house of Fanny Brummer who was born in about 1836 Bristol.

Zipporah travelled a long way from Swansea to visit Fanny. There must have been a good reason. On further investigation, it turns out that Fanny was the daughter of Cosman Cohen (1805-1856) and the widowed Sarah Hyam (c1793-1883). They would have wed in Bristol in about 1830.

Sarah's eldest son by her first marriage, Benjamin Hyam (c1817-1870), married Lucy Hadida and fathered six children in SWANSEA before his untimely death in Swansea. Lucy was back in London in 1871.

The only marriage record that I can find that could be of Benjamin's parents is the 1812 marriage between Hyam Moses and Sarah Levy. Interestingly, the groom's Hebrew name was Chayim son of Mosheh Shvab. Shvab = Schawb in German = Swabia in English. Oberdorf am Ipf is in this region of southern Germany.

If this marriage turns out to be that of Benjamin's parents, it raises the possibility that his mother was the sister of Solomon Levy and that Zipporah was visiting her half-cousin Fanny in 1891.

More avenues to be researched.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 11 June 20 17:03 BST (UK) »
That's great, thank you, Justin.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #70 on: Sunday 14 June 20 14:25 BST (UK) »
I have just seen this extensive and very helpful thread of posts.  My interest is that Mordecai Phillips (Catherine's brother) was my 4x great grandfather and I started researching this particular bit of my family quite recently.  I am descended from Mordecai's third daughter, Sarah Phillips, and can provide more details on that line if anybody is interested.  I have also transcribed Mordecai's will of 1847 and his father's of 1815 (he died in 1816 but wrote the will the previous year) so would be happy to share those as well.

When I study this thread in detail I may have more queries but for now I have four questions:
(1) In his will, Solomon Phillips does not mention his daughter Abigail but does mention his son-in-law Leib and his wife Haya.  Should I associate Haya with Abigail? And was Leib an alternative name for her husband Jacob Mosely?
(2) Why was there such a strong connection between the Phillips family in London, who were closely connected with the Hambro Synagogue, and Swansea?  In the early 19th Century, and before the railways, surely transport connections between the two places were really quite difficult so there is much more than chance involved here?
(3) In his will, Solomon Phillips leaves his ring to Hendelah the daughter of Mordecai.  By the date of this will, Mordecai had four daughters.  Which one was Hendelah?  Is Henrietta, who was the eldest, the most likely?
(4) Mordecai's brother, Joseph, (a warden of the Hambro Synagogue in London) married his niece, Charlotte Mosely of Swansea.  This is the only avunculate marriage that I am aware of in my family.  I know that they were allowed in the Jewish community and Joseph and Charlotte were completely open about it.  In practice how common were they?

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #71 on: Sunday 14 June 20 15:29 BST (UK) »
Hi David,

Wow, thanks for joining the thread. I guess we're some kinda 5th cousins. Sorry, I don't have any of the answers to your questions Sam and Justin have been very helpful and really generous with their time and knowledge so maybe they'll have an answer. As you may know from reading the threads I'm working on a genealogical study and art project with my first cousin Deborah Cohen. We're researching the lineal and collateral descent of Jacob and Catherine Cohen (née Philips) of Swansea, Wales. What you've said so far is fascinating, please do expand.

We're using https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G9FZ-M5Z as an online genealogical repository. It would be great if you could check the Philips family branch on Family Search for errors. I'm concerned that some of the information on Sarah Philips is wrong: birth dates of children, number of children; we had her married to the wrong man for a while; do we have the correct portrait of her; is this the right Sarah Philips? I would very much value your input and would be happy to share information and assist you in any way that I can.

If you'd like to contact me directly you can do so via my site https://leonardrcohen.myportfolio.com

Great hearing from you David,

Leonard Cohen