Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea

[LCohen]

I've posted a PDF link to Esdaile Philip Cohen's family tree which also cites his sister Harriet Cohen.

[JustinL]

Hello,

Disappointingly, Catherine's gravestone only identifies her as Kela, wife of the late Ya'acov ha-Kohen. No mention of her father.

Rosetta is identified as Blumeh, daughter of Ya'acov ha-Kohen, wife of Michael

The picture of Douglas's gravestone on CemeteryScribes is of very low resolution. I can't make out any of the Hebrew inscription. I was hoping that you may have a better picture.

I also read through Jacob's will. It only mentions Catherine as his wife and executor.

Justin

[LCohen]

Cool, thanks, Justine. Yeah, that's all I have.

[LCohen]

Sorry, typo, thanks, Justin.

[LCohen]

Hi Justin and Sam,

Do you think the Jacob in bequests is Jacob Cohen and then therefore Rev. Mr. Eliezer and wife Galba are his parents?

Thanks

Leonard

https://synagoguescribes.com/blog/jewish-will-extracts-18th-19th-century-details/jewish-will-extracts-18th-19th-century/?value=431

Bequests, Jacob son of Rev. Mr. Eliezer and wife Galba.

[JustinL]

Good morning from Dubai,

Have you also looked at the original transcript of the translation of the will on ancestry?

The text "translated from Hebrew of the German Jewish character" reads:

" ... the fourth share to my son in law Jacob Cohen with his wife Gela ... the fifth share to Jacob son of Reverend Mr. Eliezer with his wife Golta"

The recipients of the fifth share were Jacob Moseley and his wife Abigail.

The original transcript includes a statement made by a Michael Goldsmid (a Hebrew and English teacher) about the authenticity of the Hebrew will based on his long acquaintance with the deceased. Goldsmid confirmed that the handwriting, style and signature were those of Moses Selig. He goes on to specify how the deceased had signed. I can't unravel all the acronyms, but the important ones show that the Moses Selig's title was shaliach tsibur ve-ne’eman = cantor and notary.

In the absence of any record tying him to Swansea, I have to admit to a degree of scepticism about Esdaile P. Cohen being Jacob's and Catherine's son. The records that I have seen (marriage and two versions of the burial) do not even confirm what the initial P stood for. Although it's not an unreasonable assumption that his grandson (born before his death) was given his full secular name.

Just seen the 1850 census in which he was recorded as E.P. Cohen, aged 50, born in Wales

Justin

[JustinL]

I have also identified Jacob's and Catherine's first daughter.

The marriage announcement for Rosetta and Michael Marks described her as the second daughter. One of Sam's links threw up a wedding announcement in The Cambrian of 15 October 1814 of Solomon Levy "of Barnstaple" to Miss Cohen, the daughter of Jacob Cohen of Swansea.

The unnamed daughter was called Rebecca, born in about 1794 in Swansea. Solomon died before the 1841 census, but Rebecca and her children were recorded in Swansea in subsequent censuses. The eldest surviving daughter was Zipporah Levy, b. about 1826 in Barnstaple !!!

Interestingly, Rosetta and Michael Marks named their second daughter also born in 1826 Zipporah. It would appear to be a name passed down the Cohen line.

Justin

[LCohen]

Oh, cool, you're in Dubai. Thanks for clearing up Eliezer and Golta. Oh wow, can't believed you've found Rebecca that's incredible. Yeah, we just had her as unknown Cohen 1794. I guess you would have said if this Solomon Levy had any connection with you?

"Interestingly, Rosetta and Michael Marks named their second daughter also born in 1826 Zipporah. It would appear to be a name passed down the Cohen line."

Zipporah Marks married her first cousin the artist Barnett Samuel Marks, his wikipedia page also lists Barnett and Zipporah's children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Samuel_Marks.

Once again thanks for all you help Justin.

Leonard

[Sam Swift]

Hi Justin and Sam,

Do you think the Jacob in bequests is Jacob Cohen and then therefore Rev. Mr. Eliezer and wife Galba are his parents?

Thanks

Leonard

https://synagoguescribes.com/blog/jewish-will-extracts-18th-19th-century-details/jewish-will-extracts-18th-19th-century/?value=431

Bequests, Jacob son of Rev. Mr. Eliezer and wife Galba.

Yes I wondered that too, but some of the rest of the will is difficult to read and as you say, it's been translated from Hebrew.

Talking of wills, one person named on the bottom of Jacob's will was John Lister Druggist. Although I don't think he was Jerwish. He was of the Lister Family decended from the Lister family of Halifax Yorkshire. John Lister's father Thomas is the one mentioned in paras 5& 6 with is brother Will, both of whom died in the US after emigrating to Virginia. His son William Michael came back to Halifax Yorkshire (his sisters remained in US) and John Lister of Swansea was his son. The Lister's too were involved in trading - slavery amongst other things, so there were connections between the Swansea Listers and the West Indies and also Prince George, Virginia.

There are a few trees including   https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/7254494/person/-1133200411/facts

and the John Lister named on will father William Michael Lister https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/807202/person/-2047195345/facts

Judging from the video you posted Leonard, (looks a fab place) there seems there were Jewish families involved in the sugar trade / slavery and there were Jewish communities established in Charleston South Carolina, Richmn =d Virginia and Baltimore Maryland, with people moving from one to another depending on attitudes towards the keeping of slaves.

Looking again at Moses Seig / Solomon Phillips - I think this could be the will of one of his sons - Mordecai Phillips.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/5111/40611_309708-00349?pid=3442&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid%3D5111%26h%3D3442%26indiv%3Dtry%26o_vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D8914&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.187415208.1279350791.1591146376-888538357.1586680559#?imageId=40611_309708-00349