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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #198 on: Thursday 09 July 20 10:10 BST (UK) »
In Jewish genealogy, it is important, if not essential, to establish the Hebrew/Yiddish names of individuals.

Full Hebrew/Yiddish names as inscribed on gravestones or entered in Jewish BMD registers are in the patronymic form, i.e. X son/daughter of Y + tribal affiliation, if any (e.g. kohanim or levi'im).

Given names are always passed down through the generations; children are named after deceased relatives. A pattern of names used by siblings can give an indication of the names of the sibling parents.

On this basis, I am fairly confident that Solomon Phillips' wife was called Tsherneh in Yiddish. I also suspect that Jacob Cohen's mother was called Tsiporah.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #199 on: Thursday 09 July 20 10:13 BST (UK) »
"Jacob Cohen's mother was called Tsiporah."

Because of the name of one of his daughters?

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #200 on: Thursday 09 July 20 11:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin,

How do these names connect to Solomon Phillips? Some are new to me some I've seen but not been able to establish a relationship (The PDF page you posted I find a little confusing, I'm familiar with Esther Friedeberg, d. 1847 Finsbury Place South, bur. 30 Nov.):

Chaya Phillips, d. < 1847

Joseph Cohen, b. unknown, clerk of the Swansea Synagogue, d. 21 Aug 1813 Swansea (fell from his chair)

Zaleg Wolff Cohen, b. c1795 outside UK, 1841c jeweller in Swansea, d. Q3 1847 Swansea + Lydia Unknown, b. 1807-11 outside county, d. Q3 1863 Swansea

David Lezer Cohen (David b. Eliezer-Lezer ha-Kohen), m. 5 Mar 1811 GS

Thanks

Leonard

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #201 on: Thursday 09 July 20 15:09 BST (UK) »
Jacob Cohen's daughters, Rebecca and Rosetta, had daughters named Zipporah (Herew: Tsiporah). It's just speculation on my part.

I have just proved my other piece of speculation to be correct. The link below reports the burial of
"Csarna, wife of Mr. Zelig, cantor of our [Hambro] community" buried on 19 Oct 1806. The same record is romanised as Czarna elsewhere. The name is clearly meant to be Tsherneh.

https://synagoguescribes.com/blog/person-details/?value=26704

Joseph Cohen and Zaleg Wolff Cohen were simply other Cohens who lived in Swansea in the early 19th century. I have recorded their names in my notes in case I can establish a link to your Jacob.

The same applies to David Lezer Cohen. I'm speculating that there may be a connection between your Jacob Cohen and the Friedeberg family.



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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #202 on: Thursday 09 July 20 15:16 BST (UK) »
Oh okay, thanks.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #203 on: Friday 10 July 20 13:21 BST (UK) »
Justin, did you ever come across a Louis Cohen? I found him in a newspaper report in The Cambrian on the Swansea Synagogue donation drive among the names listed was Louis Cohen, I have no idea who this is, and my 2nd great aunt Matilda Cohen of Mumbles. I think she donated £1 something. I neglected to save the article.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #204 on: Friday 10 July 20 18:00 BST (UK) »
I found the list published in 1872. Mathilda's sisters, Rebecca Levy and Charlotte were also contributors.

The 1871 census recorded a 42-year-old Louis Cohen (b. Prussia) with his wife and four children.

There's nothing to suggest that he was related to your Cohen family.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #205 on: Friday 10 July 20 18:06 BST (UK) »
Cool, thanks, Justin.

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Re: Any Information on the family Jacob and Catherine Cohen, Wales, Swansea
« Reply #206 on: Friday 24 July 20 19:29 BST (UK) »
Today I visited the grave of Robert Abraham Phillips, the celebrated "art goldsmith" because I was still uncertain about his birth year.  I examined the lettering on the stone very carefully to make sure that the 1810 was not 1816 and I am sure it is not.  Only a partial transcription is given on the Billion Graves website so here is a full transcription.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
ROBERT PHILLIPS
BORN MAY 25TH 1810   DIED APRIL 21 1881
HE SHALL ENTER INTO PEACE
                                      ISIAH CHAP LV11 V2

AND OF HELEN HIS WIFE
BORN JULY 28 1821   DIED JULY 1 1887
BLESSED ARE THE PURE IN HEART FOR THEY SHALL SEE GOD
                                                                                  ST MATT V

ALSO OF EUGENIE PHILLIPS THEIR DEARLY LOVED DAUGHTER
BORN 1ST FEBRUARY 1858    DIED 10TH MAY 1910
LOVE, SWEETNESS, GOODNESS, IN HER PERSON SHONE

SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF SIR CLAUDE PHILLIPS BA
BORN JANUARY 30TH 1846   DIED AUGUST 9TH 1924
GOD SHALL WIPE AWAY ALL TEARS FROM THEIR EYES

Does anyone know where Claude got his BA or what for?  If he had been to Oxford or Cambridge I would have expected an MA.

David