Help wanted from Australia! McDaid family of Bogside/Creggan Derry

[garstonite]

Hiya Linda
have a trawl through these - you may get lucky - if you see a big green tree to the left , you can click on it and open up a family tree - it is a huge list so best look when you have a lot of time - GOOD LUCK
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&size=10&type_periode=between&sexe=&nom=mcdaid&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Northern+Ireland%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR&region__0__=ULS&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1

[Linda Houston]

wow... Gaffy thanks so much. I knew about Arthur being Patrick's brother and had them the wrong way round!!! My mum remembers her father's sister Alice and that hole has not been filled. the baptism records are very difficult to read aren't they- are they transcribed anywhere?
Do you live in Ireland? Thanks so much for putting me on the right track- and Mum is remembering a bit more today too....
I'm sure there are relatives still there but didn't know about the Derry connection when I was home for a month in Nov 2019. Went to the Xmas market in the guildhall.... hopefully I may get home again one day.
thanks again
Linda

[gaffy]

If you mean the generation comprising the children of Bernard McDaid and Jane Doherty, then yes, Alice was shown as the youngest child in the 1911 census return for house 29 Lecky Road I posted at reply #4, here is her birth registration:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01827/1714225.pdf

She married a Charles McGuigan in Derry in 1920:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09259/5351963.pdf

[gaffy]

Some baptisms for other children of Arthur McDaid and Brigid Kelly (all in St. Columb's Derry):

- John on 29 October 1843 (left page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633057#page/19/mode/1up

- Joseph on 18 September 1845 (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633057#page/27/mode/1up

- James on 8 November 1846 (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633057#page/30/mode/1up

- Patrick on 10 March 1849 (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633057#page/33/mode/1up

- Mary on 27 November 1855 (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633058#page/52/mode/1up

- Arthur on 16 January 1858 (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633058#page/79/mode/1up

- Bernard on 13 May 1860 as previously mentioned

In addition, I can see a transcript of a baptism for a son Arthur for Arthur 'McDade' and 'Biddy' Kelly in St. Columb's Derry on 11 November 1863, sponsors Daniel and Ellen Boyle - one must suspect that the Arthur baptised in 1858 died young.

[Linda Houston]

thank you so much...... it is good to see the real info now.... and to see that the family was firmly entrenched in Londonderry. In fact my immediate family are probably the furthest arm! You have really helped me on this quest many many thanks. Linda
I'm hoping when the pandemic lifts that it won't cost a small mortgage to fly as I must make another trip home to explore Derry...... all my cousins live in Strabane so not too far away. I did go shopping in Derry when I was there in Nov 19 but did not know my connection at the time.
Anyway thanks again

[gaffy]

You're welcome.  As far as Jane Doherty's background is concerned, the father William's occupation of 'auctioneer' stated in Jane's 1881 record of marriage to Bernard McDaid is a stand-out item of information, for auctioneers weren't thick on the ground relative to many other occupations.  The grave record for Jane I posted at reply #6 mentioned parents 'William & M. Doherty'.

There's a couple called William Doherty and Martha Duffy who got married in St. Columb's Derry on 19 August 1858 (right page):

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633058#page/162/mode/1up

They went on to have quite a few children right up to the start of the 1880s, in some records, William was described as a dealer, in others as an auctioneer,  for example, in the 1901 and 1911 censuses:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__4_Urban__West_Ward/Pilots_Row/1537608/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/Wellington_Street/604349/

Another example... the civil birth registration for one of their last children, Alice in 1880:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02885/2057218.pdf

This same couple had a daughter Jane baptised in St. Columb's Derry on 7 October 1864, I couldn't readily find a civil birth registration, but since the birth registration process only started that year, compliance was patchy - anyhow, here is the baptism (left page, VERY faint):

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633059#page/10/mode/1up

[Linda Houston]

Sounds right doesn't it.... except the ages of William and Martha in the two census don't match- but than can happen can't it?
How do you find things so quickly- especially in the church records?
thanks again!

[gaffy]

Because fewer folk observed birthdays and maintained an awareness of such matters the way we do today, there was a tendency among many to understate age in official records, in contrast, the introduction of the Old Age Pension in 1908 to the over 70s caused a noticable phenomenon of age 'inflation' between the 1901 and 1911 Ireland censuses.  In this case, I would hazard that the net effect brings William and Martha closer to the truth in 1911. In relation to speed of finding, a website that I subscribe to has transcripts for various Irish church records, while useful in itself, it also acts as a convenient 'index' for searching the NLI church record images, for I always prefer to see the originals if possible.

[gaffy]

Back to reply #7, where the obituary for Arthur McDaid in the Derry Journal of 11 October 1899 mentioned 'Deceased was uncle to Mr Michael McDaid, the capable Nationalist Registration agent'.

That quite distinct occupation reads across to this man in 1901 and 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/Infirmary_Road__left_hand_side_from_Creggan_Road_/1531094/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/Sackville_Street/601670/

Births/baptisms for the children in the above census returns indicate that the parents were Michael McDaid (sometimes recorded as butcher, sometimes as registration agent) and Annie Doherty who married in St. Columb's Derry in 1875, Michael's address was recorded as Rosemount and his father was recorded as Bernard McDaid, a butcher:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11219/8112638.pdf

Tracking back from that information, there were a number of births / baptisms in Derry in the 1850s and 1860s for a couple called Bernard McDaid and Elizabeth Doherty, for example, the following one for a Margaret McDaid in 1869 confirms the father as Bernard McDaid, a butcher living at Rosemount:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03396/2245390.pdf

The same named couple had a son Michael baptised on 27 November 1856 in St. Columb's Derry, who must be a candidate for the Michael who married Anne Doherty in 1875 (left page below):
 
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633058#page/64/mode/1up

So that completes the 3 brothers reflected by that 1899 obituary at reply #7, to recap:-

(1) Arthur McDaid who married: (i) Brigid Kelly (parents of Bernard McDaid who married Jane Doherty who had the son (Bernard) Joseph McDaid who moved to Strabane and married Mary Dinsmore); then Arthur married (ii) Bessie Neely;
(2) Patrick McDaid who married Sarah McLoughlin;
(3) Bernard McDaid who married Elizabeth Doherty (parents of registration agent Michael McDaid who married Anne Doherty).

And if Arthur's marriage to Bessie Neely is correct, it would suggest that the 3 of them were the sons of a butcher called John McDaid.