Help finding Speakman family on 1861 census

[jen56johns]

Hi,
I've looked and looked but need some help with this one please.
William Speakman (b. Rostherne, Cheshire 1820) married Elizabeth PArker (b. Chipping, Lancashire 1832) in Liverpool in 1856. A month later they had my 2xGreat-grandfather, Joseph Parker Speakman in Liverpool.  They then had the following children, all born in Barton-upon-Irwell and verified on GRO.
Jane Elizabeth 1859 (unmarried with her father on 1881 census in Manchester)
Sarah Ann 1862
John Robert 1868
William George 1868 (died 1869)
Elizabeth died in Jan 1871 so she isn't on that census.William dies in 1894.
I can't find the family in the 1861 census and I can't find Joseph on a census until after his 1879 marriage to my 2xgreat-grandmother, Charlotte Conway.
Can anyone help locate these children on the 1861 and 1871 census?
Many thanks!
Jenni

[CaroleW]

Can you include birthyears & birthplaces for William & Elizabeth please

[jen56johns]

Can you include birthyears & birthplaces for William & Elizabeth please

I've modified my post to include this.  Thanks!

[chempat]

Joseph Parker Speakman is in 2 private trees on Ancestry, with several records and sources acknowledged.  Have you contacted any tree owners?

[jen56johns]

Joseph Parker Speakman is in 2 private trees on Ancestry, with several records and sources acknowledged.  Have you contacted any tree owners?

One might be mine, but that doesn’t really answer my question. Why can’t I find them on the census? And what happened to Joseph’s siblings?

[guest189040]

A Sarah Ann Speakman died 10/1870 Manchester 8d 177

There is William Speakman in the 1891 census in a Workhouse, right birth year and location of birth which was north of Knutsford, the transcription looks in error as Willmington being the place of birth which probably should be Millington which is right next to Rostherne.

Not a lot of joy on Ancestry for anything else.

[jen56johns]

Thanks Biggles, I appreciate you sharing what you’ve found.

I’ve got membership to a couple of genealogy sites and have tried wildcard searches and all sorts of tactics, but I just cant find any of them in 1861 or 1871.  It’s quite unusual!

[guest189040]

Do you have William and Elizabeth’s parents, their siblings and their parents siblings mapped out.

If not then the children could have been split up and taken care of by said relatives.

With their being a lot of building and infrastructure projects happening all over the Country is is possible that they were working on one of these during the census and hence living in a temporary building or tented community.