General Discussion on Current Situation 2/

[pharmaT]

This really is becoming one long yawn. Just how many circles can you all go around before you meet yourselves coming back or disappear somewhere you wouldn't wish to go?.
Oh, and not let's forget, the Cummings' 4 year old is, apparently, autistic. Just saying - it doesn't seem to have had a mention here, or anywhere else for that matter.
 
Anyway, here's something else for you to ponder on. Today First Minister Drakeford announced our new "freedom" in Wales, which I won't go into in detail because I think most of you are in England or Scotland. Now then, this advice included that we should stay "local" which, according to Drakeford, is around five miles. As I live less than five miles from my nearest border crossing into England, do you think I could drive across the border and then, because I would be in England, drive as far as I wished?. I don't want to go that far but just to our son's, some 15 mins into England.
Assume "social distancing" etc. would be observed.
By the way, I walked several miles further than five today but not into England. I stayed reasonably "local".
Cymru Am Byth.
 

Any replies which mention Cummings, or may be attributed to him in any way, shape or form, are not valid!.
 

Tying myslef in knots?  Really? My reasons for being angry have stayed the same throughout this discussion despite repeated attempts to tie me in knots, accuse me of not understanding and patronising me.

[Gadget]

On a slightly different tack, I see in news from the other side of the Atlantic that the President has said that he is ending the US relationship with WHO.

[IgorStrav]

"This really is becoming one long yawn. Just how many circles can you all go around before you meet yourselves coming back or disappear somewhere you wouldn't wish to go?. "

Llwyd - please don'e worry yourself by reading this thread if it's making you go round and round.
Suggesting that the concerned people might vanish up their own a...ses (you were saying that, no? if I misinterpret you, please do correct me) is an insult which is not called for.



"Oh, and not let's forget, the Cummings' 4 year old is, apparently, autistic. Just saying - it doesn't seem to have had a mention here, or anywhere else for that matter."

This is a totally unsubstantiated rumour, posted by one person on Facebook, and has not in any way been verified.



As I say.

 Those who remain completely unmoved by a powerful player advising our Government in the crisis of a pandemic choosing not only to break the advice he helped create, but not feeling he owed any apology - indeed lying on a blog to make himself sound better - please do feel free to let the rest of us worry on your behalf.

A million people or thereabouts have signed a petition, and MPs have received c 180 corrected 270+ with many MPs receiving several hundred or moreemails on the subject each, so it's evidently not of any interest to many.


The great pleasure of a website like RC is that we can exchange views, sometimes forcefully, but with respect.

Telling me that my concern will let me circle up my bottom doesn't count as respect to me.

[Maiden Stone]

The "More or Less" programme I mentioned in my reply 155 had an interview with a statistician who had been charting deaths, based on the date the person died, not when the death was reported or registered.
His findings :
the death rate in the UK as a whole has been decreasing steadily since the peak in early April;
it is decreasing at a slower rate than it increased during March and early April. 
 

[pharmaT]

The "More or Less" programme I mentioned in my reply 155 had an interview with a statistician who had been charting deaths, based on the date the person died, not when the death was reported or registered.
His findings :
the death rate in the UK as a whole has been decreasing steadily since the peak in early April;
it is decreasing at a slower rate than it increased during March and early April.

That's the pattern I've been seeing but I just like maths rather than being a professional statistician.  My concern is the current level of circulating virus is still significantly higher than when we entered lockdown making it a high risk that we could so easily return to exponential growth of cases if we go too fast with easing lockdown.

[radstockjeff]

Could we summarise the DC and BoJo situation with this quote-

"I know you believe that you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure that you realise that what you heard is not what I meant"
Robert McCloskey

[Maiden Stone]

My concern is the current level of circulating virus is still significantly higher than when we entered lockdown making it a high risk that we could so easily return to exponential growth of cases if we go too fast with easing lockdown.

A scientist, a member of an advisory body expressed his disquiet today.
Situation isn't the same in all regions of England.
I think Scottish government is right to take the cautious approach.

radstockjeff thanks for making it clear 

[Skoosh]

Anent tracking & tracing, interesting stuff from Bella!

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2020/05/29/track-and-trace-stay-elite/

Skoosh.

[majm]

Could we summarise the DC and BoJo situation with this quote-

"I know you believe that you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure that you realise that what you heard is not what I meant"
Robert McCloskey

and another American said : ‘There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know.’   February 2002, Donald Rumsfeld, the then US Secretary of State for Defence.   

and an Australian pollie said : ‘In the race of life, always back self-interest — at least you know it's trying’  Paul Keating former PM quoting his mentor, Jack Lang a former Premier of NSW, who  was sacked by the Governor of NSW in 1932.

May I suggest that NSW people make good sense.   

JM