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Re: General Discussion on Current Situation 2/
« Reply #117 on: Friday 29 May 20 09:22 BST (UK) »
I’m surprised that the verb to be “cummingsed” hasn’t, as yet, entered the vocabulary.

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« Reply #118 on: Friday 29 May 20 09:30 BST (UK) »

Each and every cabinet member who has gone on live TV and argued that anyone who cared enough about their loved ones would have done the same as DC ie break lockdown.  A complete and utter slap in the face to each and every person who has obeyed the guidelines despite it causing personal heartache.

Sorry but you are only listening and hearing one side, as there are just as many who are saying that he was irresponsible and if he’d really cared about the safety of his child he’d never have driven all that way, especially as his wife was supposed to have been ill at the time. Anything couLd have happened on the journey, putting the child in danger.
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« Reply #119 on: Friday 29 May 20 09:34 BST (UK) »
Just been sent a nice photo bearing the legend! "Barnard Castle & Site for Sore Eyes!"  ;D

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I’ve just had one that says “ Barnard Castle has been declared a sacred site as miracles happen there, eye sight is restored. “
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« Reply #120 on: Friday 29 May 20 09:36 BST (UK) »

Each and every cabinet member who has gone on live TV and argued that anyone who cared enough about their loved ones would have done the same as DC ie break lockdown.  A complete and utter slap in the face to each and every person who has obeyed the guidelines despite it causing personal heartache.

Sorry but you are only listening and hearing one side, as there are just as many who are saying that he was irresponsible and if he’d really cared about the safety of his child he’d never have driven all that way, especially as his wife was supposed to have been ill at the time. Anything couLd have happened on the journey, putting the child in danger.

Not those at the top, the ones making the rules, the ones I'm really angry at right now.  The ones saying I must move on and draw a line under it.
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« Reply #121 on: Friday 29 May 20 09:47 BST (UK) »

My colleague contracted Covid after being left in the position of refusing care or working without PPE, she could have travelled cross country to family but no, she set up  system where food (microwavable) was delivered contact free, a check in system to ensure help was sent should she worsen, and a list of people to come and get her child should she become completely incapable.  She did consider jumping in the car and driving while ill. They're saying she was irresponsible and did not love her child enough.

My daugher's Grt Uncle died in Co Durham (from Covid), his wife had to grieve alone with phone calls and food deliveries only as support.  They are saying we didn't love them enough to break lockdown because we 'did the right thing'.

It is my friend's husband's funeral next week.  Their daughter cannot be there due to the distance and none of us can go and support her.  They're saying we don't care enough.

Who is accusing you and others of not loving their child enough or not caring enough because they are unable to attend funerals? Seems an odd, unreasonable and judgemental thing to say under the circumstances when all you are doing is following the guidelines to avoid spreading the virus further ....

Each and every cabinet member who has gone on live TV and argued that anyone who cared enough about their loved ones would have done the same as DC ie break lockdown.  A complete and utter slap in the face to each and every person who has obeyed the guidelines despite it causing personal heartache.

I don’t think you can or should take the cabinet ministers comments to mean that because you and others are following the guidelines that you do not love or care for your own friends and family .... I don’t think that is what they are saying.

But yes, your anger is understandable.

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« Reply #122 on: Friday 29 May 20 10:02 BST (UK) »
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      I don’t think you can or should take the cabinet ministers comments to mean that because you and others are following the guidelines that you do not love or care for your own friends and family .... I don’t think that is what they are saying.

But yes, your anger is understandable.     


I agree. People are hearing things in different ways and interpreting them differently. The guidelines were put in place by those very people who then twisted them to cover up what they did and make it seem as if it was right. They are hypocrites, so why take any notice of what they say, they certainly shouldn’t send you on a guilt trip. Every single person who has any decency is angry, so don’t feel it is just you PharmaT. 
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« Reply #123 on: Friday 29 May 20 10:11 BST (UK) »

He had options in London. In fact many more options than many other families had.

You are simply making assumptions he did, if not perhaps you can tell the forum just what those personal options were.

Either single parent families or where both parents were ill.  Also the lockdown guidance was that people could have travelled to give aid so his family in Durham travelling to pick up their son should the need arise would have been safer.


So if both Dominc and his wife died in the night (many people have died withing a few hours of showing symptoms) the 4 year old could phone his relations in Durham and arrange for them to pick him up

There are thousands of families out there that have tried to soldier on because they were told by the same Government that that was the correct thing to do.  Furthermore, on the subject of the 'spirit of the law' the clause allowing someone to travel to avoid harm was intended to allow victims  of domestic violence to escape to a place of safety.  DC would have known the intent of this clause and is twisting and exploiting it.  I will reiterate that in many occasions not breaking the law is insufficient to say that someone has done the right thing or acted honourably.  Is actions and even more so his defence is a slap in the face to everyone who struggled, suffered, and yet kept going and kept doing the right thing.

The example of victims of abuse was just one example of many situations where travel was permitted

My colleague contracted Covid after being left in the position of refusing care or working without PPE, she could have travelled cross country to family but no, she set up  system where food (microwavable) was delivered contact free, a check in system to ensure help was sent should she worsen, and a list of people to come and get her child should she become completely incapable.  She did consider jumping in the car and driving while ill. They're saying she was irresponsible and did not love her child enough.


No they are not it is only you that is suggesting that, as you mention she had options and made her choice to stay where she was.

My daugher's Grt Uncle died in Co Durham (from Covid), his wife had to grieve alone with phone calls and food deliveries only as support.  They are saying we didn't love them enough to break lockdown because we 'did the right thing'.

It is my friend's husband's funeral next week.  Their daughter cannot be there due to the distance and none of us can go and support her.  They're saying we don't care enough.

I have had to make so many bad news phone calls, comfort people who cannot visit those they are worried about they are saying they don't care as they didn't break lockdown to see them.  I'm telling you very much did care,so many distraught people.  These people have been metaphorically slapped in the face.


Who is this “They” I have not heard anyone saying that.

The biggest problem I have seen is people believe certain newspapers and even the BBC who are using the covid-19 outbreak as a weapon to try to get rid of someone they object to by misquoting what is said. The UK has long past the time when lynch mobs could hunt down and string up their victims but these groups still have that mentality.

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« Reply #124 on: Friday 29 May 20 11:48 BST (UK) »
I typed a long reply explaining the options in London, explaining silent hypoxia that you refer to, explaining the reasoning behind the clauses and which clauses were intended for which purposes (yes I was privy to some of the discussions before they were introduced), explained how safety could have been maintained (better in fact) without going against the guidelines and pushing the boundaries.  I explained why I consider the Government have said what they did.  Then it disappeared and I cannot be bothered retyping what would have needed to be over 2 posts as I would be wasting my time as you made it clear that you consider me to be overreacting and to be incapable of understanding no matter what I say and I have work to do.
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« Reply #125 on: Friday 29 May 20 12:02 BST (UK) »

 Top marks to Mr Cummings in doing what he instictlively thought was right for his family.
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