Lockdown easing in England

[groom]

I have looked for this "second spike" in China and can see no evidence of it. The worst day in the last week saw 11 reported new cases and no new deaths. If this is what a second wave looks like then it is time to get back to enjoying our basic freedoms once more. For personal (friends and family) reasons I would also like to see us enjoying a fully functioning NHS again.

From the BBC

"A virus outbreak in a wholesale market in Beijing leads to fears of a second wave in the Chinese capital
Forty-five cases have been recorded, after weeks without new infections; the area is put on lockdown."

[jillruss]

I am an adult, I am reasonably certain I am able to look after myself and not take unnecessary risks with my safety. I can make my own decisions as to what I or what I don't do, when allowed, but I am being treated like a five year old who cannot look after himself and I am not being given a chance to do anything.

It's for our own good, you see. It's time to worry when loss of liberty is for your own good because that liberty rarely returns as it previously was.

I agree. I've been worried about this from the start. It isn't an exaggeration to say that our liberty is at stake. We are being treated like sheep - perhaps some people like to be told what they can do; where they can go, when they can do it to within 2 metres of their existence? These things don't happen overnight: its insidious, and once you give these little tin pot politicians a bit of power, they will not want to relinquish it easily.

The very way they have been treating us over these past few months has brought to mind quite a bit of 1984: group thought, being told that Cummings was perfectly entitled to do what he liked because the new rules don't apply to him, nor to any of the so-called elite. I read today that BJ would not allow those from the medical/scientific fraternity to take part in the daily broadcasts unless they agreed to support the government. One admirable lady would not publicly condone what DC had done - and we have seen no more of her.

The thing I hold onto is this: it won't work here! You can't just lie your way out of a situation and try to silence people here! We won't put up with it - from most of the posts on here, most people know exactly what's going on; just how incompetent all these small men have been. They think they've got away with it by swearing black is white and treating us, the people, like numbskulls. Yes, we have out fair share of the latter (most of them in government) but the vast majority of us will surely eventually turn on these lying, useless excuses for human beings.

How anyone can believe anything this lot say or do in the next 4 years is beyond me.

[mazi]

Events unfolding in central London might suggest that social distancing is not working.

Mike

[Gadget]

Given that Britain is possibly the worst in Europe kinda limits sensible comparisons!

Skoosh.

I'm surprised that Macron has agreed to come here. HRH should maybe visit him in Paris, it would be safer.

Mike - it appears to be the Tommy Robinson supporters who are causing most of the problems.

[rayard]

I understood that Lockdown was to protect the NHS from being overloaded by older people (my husband is 82) however younger people now seem to be able to do as they please by mass gatherings etc.  I was trying to "distance" this morning in a supermarket but nobody took notice of the floor markings and kept coming close by, in fact one woman told me she thought it was a load of hype and hadn't taken any precautions at all saying all the handwashing was rubbish.
rayard.

[guest189040]

We are being treated like sheep because a significant proportion of the population have been behaving irresponsibly, not bothering about the social spacing, just look at the images of the past couple of weeks of beaches, parks and the crowds protesting for the Black Lives Matter campaign.

Not exactly following the guidance given.

Of those of you who think that there is no evidence of a second spike I will ask a question ..... do you want to take the risk and ease your own lockdown actions?

The Government is opening up daily life to see what happens, if there is to be a second spike then can the NHS handle it?  Otherwise the economy will start to recover but I for one believe that this will be a very slow process.

For those of us of pensionable age or of dubious health then it is up to each of us to manage our own risks.

We will certainly be maintaining social distancing for the rest of the year at least.

[rayard]

You can try to maintain social distancing but it's difficult if the other people won't! One woman even leaned over me to get something out of the fridges.
rayard.

[sonofthom]

Gadget,

My figures for China are most certainly not conjecture (how on earth did you arrive at that conclusion as I quoted actual numbers?) The figures come from the National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China. If you want an English version of their figures try this link:- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Skoosh, I note your comments on cases in Houston Texas (as opposed to Renfrewshire?). There has been a grand total of 153 cases in Houston since the start of the outbreak and no deaths whatsoever.

[Skoosh]

Of course as opposed to Renfrewshire! folk here mention their grannie in Houston, they don't mean Texas! 
I never mentioned deaths, try New York for deaths!

Skoosh.