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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #252 on: Friday 12 June 20 23:24 BST (UK) »
I think a lot of people feel like Crumble and even when restrictions are lifted more won't be rushing to shopping centres. I won't be doing anything much until I see whether all the demonstrations lead to another spike in the towns and cities where they have been held. Having stayed pretty much isolated for 12 weeks, I'm certainly not going to spoil it now, so I will continue to shop on line. 
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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #253 on: Saturday 13 June 20 01:04 BST (UK) »
Although I (sort of) understand the reluctance of others, I plan to be heading into town pretty much as soon as the shops are open and supporting local markets & businesses as much as I can. 

Earlier this week I had several windows replaced by a local firm, and was heartened to see that my next-door neighbour was doing the same (different firm, but again a local business).

My hair appointment is booked & pre-paid for 4th July, and I'll be tipping the stylist the total of what I would have given her had the salon been open.

I'm fully aware that I'm in the minority, but I honestly believe that if we continue to be so risk-averse then the damage to the economy and to those with non-Covid medical issues will have far worse and longer reaching repercussions than the virus itself. 

Given that around half of C-19 deaths are in the 80+ age group, there's every likelihood that within the next 12-months or so the UK death rates in that age bracket will be significantly below average, suggesting that rather than saving lives we have merely 'deferred death' by a short period, and at a massive cost to the younger generation and to those with other medical needs. 

I know that my views are unpalatable to many - probably most - but I think its time to let people make their own choices.  If you're afraid, then stay indoors, minimise your social contacts, & order everything online, but otherwise let the rest of us get on with it.
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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #254 on: Saturday 13 June 20 01:56 BST (UK) »
Margaret~

As well as the Guardian's excellent updates, you can get the  map and data on a daily basis from:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2.268921969.1240859137.1591980393-977526689.1584549676

Scroll down to the map and select LTLA (Lower Tier LAs).  If you select the arrows you can get the info in alpha order, highest to lowest, etc.

MS - I fear that the studio where I had my glass art fired  will have closed down. I've not heard from them for a while. It's in a large converted flour mill and there are many really good artists and makers with studios there  :'(

Thank you for that, Gadget, I hadn't seen those before. Interesting reading!! NE England seems to have had the highest rate per 100,000 population of the whole of the country. What are you doing over there? Gallivanting and street parties, I should think. Followed shortly by my region, NW England.
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Have saved it to my home page.

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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #255 on: Saturday 13 June 20 08:43 BST (UK) »
I heard on Newsnight (and some other sources that I can't remember) that the high rates are possibly related to the testing regimes.  The NW, especially Cumbria, were doing far more testing, as a proportion of the population,  than other regions. Thus more cases  discovered. Local reports up here (NE) also suggested higher testing rates.

Sadly, we'll not know the true figures.



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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #256 on: Saturday 13 June 20 10:49 BST (UK) »
I think I will just curl up and die Jomot!
How have the deaths of many old people who for the most part were in care homes for which they were paying  - were not going anywhere, in fact their lives were often one long exercise in “Social  @#£&£# distancing “ apart from the carers in those homes,-  affected the number deaths among younger people?
Perhaps we should lock them  all up,throw away the key and leave them to their own devices.

They are of no use really ,non productive  now and burning up whatever they saved through hard work and then their houses are commandeered for home fees,the cheeky beggars are using up what their children hoped to get.
The audacity!

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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #257 on: Saturday 13 June 20 11:00 BST (UK) »
I totally agree with every word jomot has said.

We shall do likewise, just like the many many oldies in our garden centre and in the tesco queue were doing.

We are not alone, in fact I think we are the silent majority.

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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #258 on: Saturday 13 June 20 11:06 BST (UK) »
I think one of the big problems with the care homes was that although they charges high fees they did not employ enough staff to keep the places clean and residents safe. It was not just a problem in the UK, Canada had similar problems with 31 deaths in just one care home alone.

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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #259 on: Saturday 13 June 20 11:39 BST (UK) »
I think one of the big problems with the care homes was that although they charges high fees they did not employ enough staff to keep the places clean and residents safe. It was not just a problem in the UK, Canada had similar problems with 31 deaths in just one care home alone.

I am not sure that is true about keeping the residents clean and safe.
From what I understand it was keeping or receiving infected residents when they should have been in hospital.
I certainly won’t be going shopping but I can understand that people will want to do so and decide for themselves.

I have just looked at the deaths in our local area via a Manchester Evening News article. The bigger the circle, the more recorded deaths. Our area has 2 deaths recorded.
In one fairly affluent local area, there are about 18 deaths over 3 months. I can only presume that the deaths were mainly in care homes.
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Re: Lockdown easing in England
« Reply #260 on: Saturday 13 June 20 11:44 BST (UK) »
I didn't say that the elderly deaths had affected the number of deaths of the younger generation.  I said that the lockdown - or more specifically it's continuation - was affecting the health, education,  employment & financial viability of the younger generation.  And they matter too!

My age is irrelevant, but I have an 88-year-old father who I've been caring for daily throughout.  I love him to bits, but the reality is that the younger members of my family have been incarcerated, lost jobs, lost education, and been unable to access healthcare - predominantly to protect people of his generation. 

Yes, it may sound callous, but whilst my Dad has been 'saved' by the lock-down, the reality is he's highly likely to die within the next 12-18 months anyway, but my son is now furloughed and at serious risk of unemployment, with no savings to fall back on and a mortgage of 4x his former salary.  He's also been unable to access the mental health services he desperately needs.  My husband has been working throughout (in a school) but has had an urgent hospital appointment pushed back by 4-months and told to dial 999 if it becomes an emergency, which it may well do.

There is nothing to stop my father - or anyone else who needs/wishes to - to continue a self-imposed lockdown, but I think it incredibly selfish to expect those at minimal risk to do the same.

It seems to me that those against any easing have been been happy for food manufacturers, warehouse workers, delivery drivers, supermarket staff, pharmacists, teachers etc to continue working - but are against any easing that doesn't benefit them personally.  Sounds like the height of selfishness to me.

By the way, I don't expect to get anything from my father - I worked hard too and have my own home & money, thank you, and I don't think it unreasonable to want the same opportunities for my son.  After all, who pays for the NHS if no-one is working or spending money?
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