Lockdown easing in England

[Mike in Cumbria]

Did I just hear correctly that Dido Harding has just said, if you have tested positive, you are to phone them up and give them a list of your contacts   

I thought that they were supposed to phone up those who had tested positive and they then ask you for your contacts. 

What are these 25000 tracers doing?

Presumably they follow up on the list of contacts.

[Gadget]

Did I just hear correctly that Dido Harding has just said, if you have tested positive, you are to phone them up and give them a list of your contacts   

I thought that they were supposed to phone up those who had tested positive and they then ask you for your contacts. 

What are these 25000 tracers doing?

Presumably they follow up on the list of contacts.

That is not how test, track and tracing is supposed to work. maybe the yjust don't know  Public Health methods 

I have worked with PH depts  and am aware of the correct methods.  This seems like a bunch of amateurs.

[Gadget]

PS

My late sister was a Prof in the Dept of Public Health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Bless her, she would be blowing her top!

[Gadget]

Extract from Press Release:

Independent SAGE analysed the figures released today that showed 8,117 individuals testing positive for Covid-19 between May 28 and June 3 were referred for contact tracing. Only 5,407 (67%) were reached and asked to provide details of recent contacts. ONS surveillance data however suggested that there were at least 23,000 new symptomatic cases during that time period, meaning that only about a quarter of symptomatic cases had been found by the test and trace system.

Matt Hancock said today that 85% of contacts had been traced. This is deeply misleading as it relates only to the 5,407 individuals who were reached by contact tracers and ignores the 75% of new cases that were simply not found.

[Gan Yam]

Extract from Press Release:

Independent SAGE analysed the figures released today that showed 8,117 individuals testing positive for Covid-19 between May 28 and June 3 were referred for contact tracing. Only 5,407 (67%) were reached and asked to provide details of recent contacts. ONS surveillance data however suggested that there were at least 23,000 new symptomatic cases during that time period, meaning that only about a quarter of symptomatic cases had been found by the test and trace system.

Matt Hancock said today that 85% of contacts had been traced. This is deeply misleading as it relates only to the 5,407 individuals who were reached by contact tracers and ignores the 75% of new cases that were simply not found.

I agree it is misleading, its actually only  equates to to around 56% of contacts being traced of those testing positive. So if it is really the case that 75% of infections arent getting tested then that 56% is only about 14ish% of contacts!  Long way to go!

[Llwyd]

Llwyd, have you any idea why the early start for autumn term was dismissed so readily in Wales? Teachers or politicians?

My understanding is that teachers unions objected in the main, along with some teachers. The proposals were made by the WG. However, objections were accepted by the WG and the plan closed down.

[Llwyd]

"ONS surveillance data suggested" - sounds like guess work to me. How did they arrive at that figure?. How many symptomatic/non-symptomatic individuals went for testing?. If 8 thousand plus were tested and found to be positive, it appears that, if the ONS figures are correct, I would suggest, a very large number of symptomatic individuals are not presenting for testing, as they have been asked to.
The system depends on people being tested and, if positive, also depends on them being contactable in order to supply their contacts, who, in turn, should be contactable.
The "independent" SAGE group is highly selective in the wording of its press release and is designed to mislead.
67% of positive testers were traced and then 85% of their contacts were traced, it's quite simple really and not misleading at all, unless, of course, you want to be misled.
I'm left wondering just how the approximately 15 thousand supposed "not traced new" cases, are to be identified, found and tested, if they do not present for testing. The same applies to their contacts. The "independent" SAGE group does not appear to tell us how.
 




 

[Greensleeves]

The fact is that - as most of us are already aware - any UK figures regarding the number of cases is absolute fabrication because no-one has any idea.  We also know that if we think we have contracted Covid-19, the advice is to stay at home, not bother the GP, not phone 911 unless we think we are close to death.  No wonder people's bodies are being discovered weeks after they have died.  I will reiterate:  during the Great Plague of 1665, guards were appointed for the houses of the 'locked in' and these guards would go shopping for the occupants, report on their health, summon help if required, and run errands.  Not even these services have been offered in 2020 to those who think they have been infected.  Such is progress, ladies and gents.

Source:  Journal of the Plague Year 1665 - Daniel Defoe.

[Viktoria]

Also Greensleeves ,many people,my daughter included , reported odd symptoms well before any cases were reported officially here .
My daughter was really ill, not heard of Covid 19, but coughing,pains in chest
and deep inside lower left side.
Was told she had pneumonia.Treated accordingly .
Recovered but other pains which might well have been something else or connected with the Pernicious Anaemia injection being due( not had that yet,seemingly the P.A.S. Has changed its advice to patients. Was told she could have itvafter June 1, but then advice changed ).
So if she had covid 19 or not we d on’t know But many people report similar things)
The true number will never be known.
Viktoria.