Lockdown easing in England

[sonofthom]

Jillruss, your post regarding the 2 metre distance rule is absolutely spot on. If we keep that rule the economy will be completely trashed with tourism/hospitality/heritage pretty much totally wiped out. The implications for the physical and mental health of the nation of mass unemployment is truly frightening. We are already seeing many additional deaths caused not by Covid 19 but by the Government's policy response. Sadly our politicians seem to be suffering from tunnel vision in which they are concerned only about Covid 19 while remaining oblivious to the immense damage that their policies are wreaking. It is even worse in Scotland where I live where an economically illiterate First Minister seems to be determined to ensure that we remain the least free nation in Europe.

As well as an unemployment tsunami about to hit us  I am very concerned that we are likely to see a sharp increase in crime.

[Guy Etchells]

Guy, I respect your right to have an opinion which is different from mine but I'd be ever so grateful if you'd stop being quite so patronising.

I almost felt as if you'd donned your gown and mortarboard, before you started your last supercilious post. Despite rumours to the contrary, I'm not a complete moron and I did know the 'history' of the 2 metre rule. I was questioning its efficacy.

Did you used to be a teacher or lecturer? I always find most of them tend to talk down to you.

Cheers,
Jill

Jillruss, you asked "Why is this country stuck on the 2 metre distance rule?" so I answered that question directly.
The problem with shorter distances is as Arthurk mentioned in post reply178 "So with a 1 metre rule, people are likely to end up more like 60cm apart; with 2 metres we might see around 1.5 metres. It's less effective than 2 metres, but an awful lot better than 60cm."

This is frequently displayed in supermarket visits the "intelligent" population queue at 2 metres waiting to go into a supermarket then as soon as the are inside the morons are pushing past each other with no space in between.

Cheers
Guy

[BushInn1746]

Guy, I respect your right to have an opinion which is different from mine but I'd be ever so grateful if you'd stop being quite so patronising.

I almost felt as if you'd donned your gown and mortarboard, before you started your last supercilious post. Despite rumours to the contrary, I'm not a complete moron and I did know the 'history' of the 2 metre rule. I was questioning its efficacy.

Did you used to be a teacher or lecturer? I always find most of them tend to talk down to you.

Cheers,
Jill

Hi

Looking at Guy's "Reply #176" I wouldn't say using another source was Guy's opinion.

When people speak they also project small saliva droplets ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/health/coronavirus-infections.html

Even though I swallow before speaking, I can regularly see an odd tiny saliva droplet on my Tablet screen after speaking (even though I did not see the droplet project in my sight).

Of course if someone coughs or sneezes 2 metres won't be any good as sneeze droplets can travel up to about 8 metres.

Stifling a sneeze can be dangerous too causing ruptures in the brain and like the person here in the throat ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42687970

As children our Mother (now in her 80s) wouldn't let us leave home without a hankerchief and I feel undressed if I don't have one in my pocket today.

Mark

[KGarrad]

Apparently, the Covid-19 that came to the UK came from Italy, Spain or France Not China!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

Just goes to prove: Border lockdown should have happened much, much earlier.

[Crumblie]

I walk for at least an hour every day and the amount of people who make no attempt to keep even a metre distance from you is almost unbeliveable. Next week when more shops open I have no intention of visiting them. I dislike queueing at the best of times but to have to queue to get into a shopping centre and then for a shop puts me right off even trying to get in. Any purchases for clothes, books etc. will be made online and it is difficult to not think that we are going to witness the death throes of the high street in the next few months.

[Maiden Stone]

Most teachers I know want to get back to school and back to normal, the thing which is stopping this is the social distancing. Due to the size of most classrooms, the maximum number of children they could fit in would be 10 - so for your average class you need two extra rooms.

Plus extra teachers and classroom assistants.

[BushInn1746]

I walk for at least an hour every day and the amount of people who make no attempt to keep even a metre distance from you is almost unbeliveable. Next week when more shops open I have no intention of visiting them. I dislike queueing at the best of times but to have to queue to get into a shopping centre and then for a shop puts me right off even trying to get in. Any purchases for clothes, books etc. will be made online and it is difficult to not think that we are going to witness the death throes of the high street in the next few months.

Yes, I noticed this today whilst food shopping.

We decided previously not to get into any discussion and keep out of their way, after hearing about speech droplet transmission investigations.

If they got irate or raised excitable voices, could you imagine if they were Covid infected (some don't show or have any Covid-19 symptoms either).

Mark

[Maiden Stone]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/320xn/p05lycr3.jpg

Reminds me of pictures of chapels in Victorian prisons when every prisoner was isolated.
Prisons in Britain overcrowded. Very difficult to manage in an epidemic. There has been a very limited release of low-risk prisoners. Several prisoners and some prison staff have died from coronavirus. Many prisoners have mental health problems which will be made worse in the current situation.

[Viktoria]

Apparently, the Covid-19 that came to the UK came from Italy, Spain or France Not China!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

Just goes to prove: Border lockdown should have happened much, much earlier.

It would not have dared to come had we not been in the EU!!!
It knew it could creep in via unmanned border posts ,etc etc.
Had every right to be here and could stay as long as it wanted to!
 It knew it would get past that new  aircraft carrier with no aircraft to speak of swanning up and down the channel.
Border posts that advertise when they are shut were no barrier.
It could slip under the gates.

No had Brexit happened,or better still had we  stayed out or come out we may well have been Covid 19 free.

There is the balanced opinion of one who thinks this topic needed a bit of daft levity.

The thing is no one can totally prove those insane theories of mine are wrong, >
Guess who.
P.S.my post was being penned before the above from  MaidenStone was posted.

was posted.