General discussion on current situation

[Jomot]

The hospital deaths announced by the BBC (and others) are just that - those announced that particular day, with the announcement often coming some time after the actual death.

Spreadsheets containing the daily hospital deaths announced for England (only) broken down by date of death are on the NHS England website, and show a different picture.

For example, of the 244 hospital deaths announced today (England only), 60 happened more than a week ago - the oldest being 27th March.

The 627 you refer to was 'all settings' for the whole of the UK - hospital deaths accounted for 374 of these, and again, a significant proportion of those happened at least a week earlier.

Transmission in the general population is now reasonably under control - care homes are another matter.....

[Roobarb]

I've had a look at the spreadsheet and have found it much more useful than the figures bandied about in the press. Thanks for pointing it out Jomot.

[Jomot]

I've had a look at the spreadsheet and have found it much more useful than the figures bandied about in the press. Thanks for pointing it out Jomot.

Glad you found them useful.

I have this and a few other of the official ones bookmarked, and must admit that since I started reading those rather than just listening to the daily broadcasts I feel much less worried about my friends & family in general, with the notable exceptions of my father (88) and uncle (96).

[dowdstree]

There is one on the Scottish Government website too which gives the corresponding information for Scotland.

Very useful and informative.

Dorrie

[sonofthom]

It most certainly not money before people; this is not an either/or situation. With UK unemployment (not furlough) now over 2 million this lockdown is having a devastating affect on many families. This has a direct and almost certainly long term impact on health and mortality and there is now ample evidence to believe that the negative impacts of the lockdown will be far greater than those of the virus itself.

If you are terrified of the virus then by all means continue to remain apart from other people but you should not seek to impose continuing lockdown on the rest of us who are able to take a more balanced view.

[BushInn1746]

It most certainly not money before people; this is not an either/or situation. With UK unemployment (not furlough) now over 2 million this lockdown is having a devastating affect on many families. This has a direct and almost certainly long term impact on health and mortality and there is now ample evidence to believe that the negative impacts of the lockdown will be far greater than those of the virus itself.

If you are terrified of the virus then by all means continue to remain apart from other people but you should not seek to impose continuing lockdown on the rest of us who are able to take a more balanced view.

Being sedentary (inactive) and neurological aging of the elderly might be a factor or a contributory factor for many Care Home deaths.

I agree with Social Distancing when we are out daily and Hygiene.

Hand Washing is now critical after using the Toilet and before Eating because Medical Reports from Abroad show Non-Respiratory Covid-19 has been found in the Human gut and other organs.

At the end of the day, there has always been a risk when leaving home e.g. road collision. Even falling down stairs at home has caused death.

Specialists will likely form various opinions over the coming years.

Mark

[youngtug]

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-san-francisco-can-learn-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus-1918?r=US&IR=T

[Redroger]

And who is likely to come out of this wealthier than when it all started? The wealthiest. And to come out of it dead? The health workers. If they have no been expelled as unskilled migrants by the society that claps them every Thursday.

[dowdstree]

You are spot on Redroger and I couldn't agree more.

News headline this morning "Ryanair boss blasts U.K.'s idiotic 14 day quarantine plan". We should have been doing this way back at the start of the outbreak. He comes under the category of wealthy.

Another headline claims a leaked Public Health England Document states that Temporary Care Workers spread the virus moving from home to home to cover staff who were sick. Most of these workers are on a minimum wage and amongst this country's poorest paid. There has been a high death rate amongst these care workers.

Society should be ashamed of itself.

Dorrie