Edward Derby

[blinder]

Edward Derby was my 4GG. He was born Nov 24 !788 and died June 8 1865. He lived in Falkirk, County Stirling and made a living as a Victualler, Corn Merchant and in 1861 he is a Sharper??. He was born in County Antrim according to the 1841 Census and on his death record, his father is Johnstone Darby and his mother Janet. I have been unable to find anything about his parents in Scottish records and am unfamiliar with Irish records. Johnstone seems like an uncommon name. Any help appreciated.

[aghadowey]

You've started this thread in Antrim Completed Look up Requests so it might get overlooked. Just click on 'report to moderator' and ask for it to be moved to Antrim board.

Johnston isn't actually an uncommon first or middle name in Ireland. Surnames were often used this way- sometimes the name was mother or grandmother's maiden name, other times might be from minister, doctor, schoolteacher, landlord, etc.
The dates you are looking at are well before the start of civil registration. Without a more exact place that 'County Antrim' it will be difficult to know where to start searching. Have a look at these 2 topics on Irish records (slightly outdated now but will give you an idea of what might be available) & tracing Irish ancestors.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=442233.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498742.0

There are several online trees with show Edward's parents as William Derby & Agnes Anderson & give his birthplace in Scotland.

Have you viewed the 1861 census to see if Edward's occupation is 'sharper' or are you going by a transcription? Ancestry has transcribed Edward's birthplace in 1841 as 'Ireland'- have you seen 'Co. Antrim' on the actual image?

[aghadowey]

I did find an Edward Derby born Co. Antrim in 1851 census but he's age 38 and in England not Scotland (his wife is born Midlothian, Scotland).

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[aghadowey]

More details on other post of yours-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831168.msg6955496#msg6955496

Since the details posted there for Edward's brother Thomas gives a more exact place of birth can you post a snippet to that so we can try to figure where this is.

[blinder]

 Thank you for all your help. I have no experience with Irish forbears, so appreciate all your assistance.
Until I got Edward's death record I also had William and Agnes Anderson as Edward's parents.
On the 1851 Census, Thomas is shown as from what appears to be Kishandon(Hishandon), Ireland. I have been unable to locate this place.
On the 1861 Census Edward is described as a Sharper, which I have now found the meaning of!!!!!!
In the 1941 Census, Edward was a victual dealer and in 1951 Census, he is a Corn Dealer. He is from Antrim, Ireland in 1941 Census and simply from Ireland in the 1951 Census.
Hope this helps.

[aghadowey]

On the 1851 Census, Thomas is shown as from what appears to be Kishandon(Hishandon), Ireland. I have been unable to locate this place.

Which is precisely why I asked you to post a snippet of the actual census so we could try to decipher the townland.

[gaffy]

... He was born in County Antrim according to the 1841 Census ...

This is an absolutely critical point in narrowing the search, but where are you seeing this?

I've looked at that census and the only candidate I can see, living in Kirk Wynd, Falkirk, is a 50 year old male called Edward Derby, with a 50 year old Jenet, 20 year old Thomas and 13 year old Jenet in his household.

Edward is a 'Victual Deal' by way of occupation and in the column 'Whether Foreigner, or whether Born in England or Ireland' (under 'WHERE BORN'), there is a single capital letter which might be an 'I' to indicate Ireland - but I can't see any mention of Antrim.  Is there some supplementary page to this census that  I'm not seeing?

Edited to add:  I see it now... it's 1851... and clearly 'Antrim Ireland'.

[blinder]

Thomas Derby 1851 Census Record showing birth place.

[blinder]

1861 Census Edward Derby snippet with occupation "Sharper"