Hi seaweed,many thanks for your reply, can you tell me if the uniforms are the same, i dont know when he signed up he was at home with family 1939 census working locally, thats as much as i know at the moment, im waiting for a break through on this unfortunately no family members left to ask either, i will take a look at links you have given me, i have contact NA kew, they say that the likely hood of findin anything in Merchant records is slim as they dont have many,i tried posting picture on Photo section on here but to small for them to do anything with and i dont have original to use either. I have tried all military records on Ancestry also zilch found, i have sent messages to several Naval website but no response, im not sure what else to do xx