William Petch

[mckha489]

I looked for UK incoming passengers the other day and couldn’t see him

May I ask how you know the 1909 one is him? You implied earlier it was in a parish register note, but now I am wondering if it is in notes made by an earlier researcher?  It seems a very odd thing to be recorded in the PR by his mother

Reply #8

I have checked the parish records. Also in same records his Mother had noted his emigrating

Arriving in NZ 25 Jan 1910 and then back in England in time for the 1911 census seems a very fast turn around for a labourer. 

[Fresh Fields]

Helo again.

Re William James Petch and May PETCH nee GOOCH.

Has this Bretta May PETCH been ruled out?
1979/46952   PETCH  Bretta May  b. 17 December 1895, d. 27 November 1979 Havelock North [Napier]

Wife of William James PETCH.

Chn. Olive Edith STEADMAN and Arthur Prince PETCH.

Her will can be viewed through her ARCHWAY, Archives NZ file.

Alan.

PS PERCH has been suggested as a transcription error on some records. As perch is often mentioned in land records it can generate a large number of false hits when searching. So not an easy task.

[shanreagh]

Thank you for all the help you are offering.
The William I am looking for was NOT born in Garton he was born in Risby Suffolk

Thanks

As a way of trying to work on this without going round in circles
have you checked to see if you can find the Garton William Petch who has been in NZ & Army here etc and followed him back and forward?

Have you checked and double checked the sources you have for a William Petch birth in Risby? 

I would not rely just on a census form. 

Sometimes these census forms were completed for those who could not read or write who 'marked' them as correct. I have seen some weird and wonderful birthplaces assigned to people in census records mainly from assumptions made about big families.  Enumerator may say
'Oh so Mary, John, James, Hannah, Claire born in Londonderry Northern Ireland?' Tick? Only later you realise that no,  Claire was actually born in Glasgow after her parents moved.  Or children born in Ireland who moved to US and having an American accent by the times of later censuses are put down as US born. 

[shanreagh]

Helo again.

Re William James Petch and May PETCH nee GOOCH.

Has this Bretta May PETCH been ruled out?
1979/46952   PETCH  Bretta May  b. 17 December 1895, d. 27 November 1979 Havelock North [Napier]

Wife of William James PETCH.

Chn. Olive Edith STEADMAN and Arthur Prince PETCH.

Her will can be viewed through her ARCHWAY, Archives NZ file.

Alan.

PS PERCH has been suggested as a transcription error on some records. As perch is often mentioned in land records it can generate a large number of false hits when searching. So not an easy task.

Interesting as the Willam Petch we have found also lived in Havelock North and one of his children was named Edith. 

[minniehaha]

Hello,

"I have checked the parish records. Also in same records his Mother had noted his emigrating"


Can you please transcribe* exactly what you found in the Parish records relating to your William Petch. [From beginning to end]

*Or attach a copy.


Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

I think The OP is tracing down from the William and May née Gooch couple.
Bretta May in NZ is way too young (b 1895) to be the mother of William b 1891
And she is not his wife as she married Harry Petch


Bretta May Leeves
Gender:   Female
Marriage Year:   1919
Marriage Place:   New Zealand
Spouse:   Harry Petch
Relation:   Bride (Wife)

I’ve checked in a couple of  the electoral rolls, and he is Harry there too.


I think as both I and Minniehaha have posted we need to know the details of the actual reason William of Risby 1891 is thought to have come to NZ. Especially in view of the fact he was in England in 1911 and died there.  As posted right back at reply #2.

[shanreagh]

Yes I see that but I think OP may need to carefully interrogate the info they have that leads them to think that the Risby Petch family is the one they should be following.  Then from there to the entry as coming to NZ in 1909. 

I think the Petch that came to NZ in 1909 is the one who went overseas in 1917, who married Isobel and died here in NZ in 1966.  I think this Petch family may have had contacts/family in the Petch family that was already in Havelock North that Fresh Fields has found.....the 1909 William Petch had a daughter and one of her names was Edith as was one of the Petch family that Alan found. 

[Fresh Fields]

Hello again.

As stated many times before my hobby is looking into the life and times of our pioneering rural stock. I don't have specialist genealogy research resources, at my finger tips, so leave that to the NZ boards skilled members.

However I did reach out to Lizzy by PM, who replied she is doing further research about her village using the written resources available to her.

In part my reply included the following observation, as to why were were asking for more known details.

QUOTE.

NZ Census records, have not been saved, so we do not have that resource other than a very few provincial ones in our founding years.

Our NZ National Archives records are what most posters have been referring to, in their contributions to your post, but we have lacked other supporting data to help refine the search.

I would strongly recommend you take a scroll through those records, because there may be other names there that ring a bell. I have found most of our emigrants have arrived with knowledge of earlier arrivals [family or local villagers] who have hosted them upon arrival. Otherwise they were assisted migrants of some description, and records can be found about their arrivals.

By possible association was why I questioned re Wm James PETCH & May PETCH.

Alan.

[delen]

Ladyhawk

Yes that is the records I have.

Thank you