Arthur White born around 1896

[AuntieMomo]

Did some checking and Jessie Hall's maiden name was Morley.   In 1911 the 3 year Ellen White, dau. of Frederick Albert had her birth registered Dec.1907 West Ham, mmn Morley!!

Jessie would have been too old to be the mother of Ellen so who was?

Annette

My initial assumption was the Frederick and Jessie, both widowed, got together with all of their kids but there's no evidence other than Arthur put Jessie as his mum on his first marriage document, although they were all living at the same address.

My other assumption was that Ellen was a late child and possibly her mother (Ellen, Frederick's wife) died in childbirth.  There's no evidence for this, unless I can find a record of Ellen the mother's death.  I don't know how to do that with English records.  Possibly Ellen was a grandchild but this isn't stated.  Jessie Hall had grandchildren living with her, and because Ellen wasn't stated as being a grandchild.

Fantastic that you've discovered this other name Morley.  I will try and do some digging. 

[AuntieMomo]

Did some checking and Jessie Hall's maiden name was Morley.   In 1911 the 3 year Ellen White, dau. of Frederick Albert had her birth registered Dec.1907 West Ham, mmn Morley!!

Jessie would have been too old to be the mother of Ellen so who was?

Annette

Just to say that, on checking against Jessie date of birth (29 Sep 1859), she would have been 48 in 1907, so it is possible that she could have been Ellen's mother.  If she was, I hope it was a happy surprise and after checking the 1939 Register, there was an Ellen (different surname) still living with Frederick White and Jessie Hall.

I can't find much on Arthur White, my original target and possible distant relative.  There was an Arthur White living with a Florence White and Arthur J White in 1939 and older Arthur worked on the docks as a corn porter. My Arthur always seemed to be a dock worker of some kind, or a ship's fireman.  But aside from that, I'm having difficulty locating him, or finding out if this is 'my' Arthur for sure.

[heywood]

Just to say that often names in 1939 are a record of a future surname acquired through marriage. You should be able to see, if it had been written later.

[AuntieMomo]

Just to say that often names in 1939 are a record of a future surname acquired through marriage. You should be able to see, if it had been written later.

Oh, thanks for that! I didn't know.    It was written in later.

[chempat]

I can see births for Frederick Albert White mmn Batt Dartford, 1889,  George Henry White mmn Bat, 1892, Woolwich and Walter Henry White mmn Bat, Woolwich 1895.

Do not know if these are correct children, just trying to find some common surnames etc.

[AuntieMomo]

I can see births for Frederick Albert White mmn Batt Dartford, 1889,  George Henry White mmn Bat, 1892, Woolwich and Walter Henry White mmn Bat, Woolwich 1895.

Do not know if these are correct children, just trying to find some common surnames etc.

They seem correct, Chempat, but I'm not getting any joy with mum Ellen or Arthur 

[heywood]

Looking at 1861 - 1881 censuses there is this lady:
Ellen Batt b Dartford 1856/7
Parents William  and Mary A.

In 1881 866/13/19  there is a child John Batt 2 yrs with her. GRO shows birth of Alfred John Sharp Batt with no mother’s name.
There is a Thomas William b 1881 with no mmn.

There is a death for Ellen White born abt 1857  in West Ham 1904 which would seem to fit.