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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 00:02 BST (UK) »
There's a record here of an "Arthur Clarke" joining the East Surrey regiment in 1918. While the name doesn't fit, his number does (39008):

https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/36756/East-Surrey-Regiment-1st-Battalion-Rank-and-File-Index-1916-1919.pdf

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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 00:15 BST (UK) »
Great find Peter, that would make him aged 18 which what has been suggested by both Jim and I.
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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 01:35 BST (UK) »
Team Rootschat wins! ;D
The only thing that still bothers me a bit is the mother's dress and grooming which I think would have been right in fashion a decade earlier. Oh well...
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Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 03:00 BST (UK) »
Much improved with the clean up.    The Soldier's Face is a very mature 18 year old, and 1918 puts the youngest girl at 17 [whichever one she is], with the two other lads at 11/14.    I still think therefore the photo is later than 1918, but of course has to fit the Uniform/Medal criteria.
The sharp 'Cut' of the suits suggests the post war fashion trend change, with the dresses having subtle features as well.       The Army record detail was a great find and it would cap it all off if there were a discharge record, however what's a couple of years in this field.


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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 05:21 BST (UK) »
Very interesting thread!
I can't help with the discussion, but just want to add that the "father" has a wonderful moustache.  :)

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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 07:56 BST (UK) »
I found this in the newspaper "Weekly Casualty List (War Office & Air Ministry ) 05 November 1918".

WAR OFFICE DAILY LIST OF 30 OCT 1918 - WOUNDED.
East Surrey Regiment
Clarke 39008 A.E. (West Norwood, S.E.)


Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 08:39 BST (UK) »
Good find Jool, and Wow that didn't take long to be trained, posted, and injured so close to the end.   This obviously suggests the photo was taken just before shipping out, or after some hospital time and leave before discharge, subject to his injury's or staying in service for a while.
I agree a very interesting post !

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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 10:48 BST (UK) »
Apologies for the long post......

Thank you all so much for your efforts with this picture! I've learned so much more about these people than I could have ever imagined.
I posted it originally to try to establish the age of the woman on the far right. I knew that the Mother in the picture was my 2nd great Aunt, and I knew that she had 3 sons and 3 daughters, but the woman on the right looked too old to me to be her daughter; shows what I know!! With you brilliant people having pretty much confirmed her age now, it brings me full circle to the reason for this post!

I was given a box of old photographs by my father a few years ago, and there were a few of people that he didn't know who they were; so I've made it my mission to try to find out for him.

I posted a picture on here for dating around 5 years ago, of who I thought at the time could possibly be my Great Great Grandmother, but the dating from people on here combined with her age at the time didn't fit together, and someone suggested did she have a daughter of the right age for the photograph date. Well, Ann Ellen (mother in this picture) was her daughter and fitted in with the dates/ages suggested. Looking now at the 2 pictures side by side there is (in my biased hopeful mind), a resemblance. But strangely more so between the daughter on the right and the original photograph!
Is it possible/acceptable on here to post a link back to the original photo thread to get an unbiased opinion from someone here?
Many thanks again

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Re: Help with dating photograph - Ann Ellen Chilton - East Sussex
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 15 April 20 11:06 BST (UK) »
Here's a link to your old thread.  I can see a likeness between the two ladies   :)

ADDED:  The lady in your old thread looks similar to both ladies front and back right on the group photo.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731551.msg5764846#msg5764846
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton