UK request for help - Charles MYERS

[mckha489]

That death in 1864 is in NZ Michael,

I think what Minniehaha was getting at, was have you accounted for the Whitechapel Samuel in England? Or could he be the 1864 death in NZ?

Added, by drilling down, I can tell you that death was 14th of March

[minniehaha]

Yes, I wondered if any of Charles' siblings were in New Zealand during the 1860's? If so, was the Samuel Myers who died here in 1864, one of them?


Minniehaha.

[Fresh Fields]

Morning.

RE: - Ellen MYERS wife of Charles MYERS.

Over the last few days I’ve looked at a large number of NZ hits for MYERS, in Papers Past, Auckland Library card index, Waikato Museums and Government records etc.

There are only the four newspaper clippings recording Ellen’s arrival at the Port of Auckland January 1865, and it’s been assumed she possibly portaged across the isthmus, and joined the cutters ferrying settlers to the new Waiuku settlement/s.

However this archives file at Wellington, puts her at Cambridge, Waikato presenting a washer women's bill for doing Hospital laundry, and presenting it to the Commander of the Waikato Militia.

From: Lieut. Colonel Moule, Hamilton Date: 16 February 1867 Subject: With claim for washing, etc, hospital bedding Cambridge (Ellen Myers £2.6.3 and a half) (R24104358) at WELLINGTON.

Spades, a job for your trusty camera “should you choose to accept” once we are released from our bubble.

Minniehaha. Have supplied Michael privately, clippings relating to MYERS throughout NZ, where Anglicized names appear that we know the family have used, and or by association with Jewish surnames that Charles may have been associated with. Also background items re life and times of NZ Militia and early NZ Jewish communities. I found no strong leads, tho the Nelson cluster might be connected, but in the Colonist 11/5/1868 John J MYERS of Nelson, was referred to, as a Dutchman.

And this link ties the Nelson Charles MYERS who drowned at Nelson in April 1865 to a store he once owned on the West Coast.  NOTE how tough conditions were.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD18650506.2.4?end_date=31-12-1875&items_per_page=100&page=3&query=Myers&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1865

Alan.

[Michael Hammerson]

I think the caution here has to be that Myers is a not uncommon German-Jewish name, but unfortunately also a not-uncommon non-Jewish name - so, for example when I see a Christian Myers, I would be cautious about thinking he would be Jewish, even if was from Germany! There were, for example, German Hammersons out in Texas in the 19th century, but they were very Protestant!

Somewhere in my now-burgeoning file I do have a note of Charles Myers' Crimea medal, and will hunt it out. I have at least found the note from the Australian researcher who was helping me, stating that she had found his Crimean War records, serving on HMS Cossack and receiving the Baltic Medal.

But, as we seem to be querying both the 43rd man and the Waikato man, could it possibly be the same person? I don't know the chronology of the Maori Wars, but could he have come over with the 43rd, fought at Gate Pa and Te Ranga (which I believe were in 1864) with them, then received his discharge, gone to civilian life (and then called Ellen and his sons to come from England, arriving on the Matoaka on 3rd January 1865) and joined the 3rd Waikato? A man with regular army experience would presumably have been a valuable asset to a militia unit. Again, the linch-pin to this seems to be Ellen - surely, however many Charles Myers we are dealing with here (and hopefully no more than two!), there must be a limited number who were married to an Ellen?

Michael

[spades]

Hi Michael,

If you refer to my replies, #4 and #18, we cannot reconcile the stated month of arrival in New Zealand and the two different occupations of the two individuals.

One Charles MYERS attested for the 3rd Waikato Militia in November 1863, the other arrived here the following month among a draft of the 43rd Light Infantry. The evidence suggests that they are two separate individuals.

At the moment I would concentrate on the former, who seems a better fit for your Charles.

Once our libraries and archives open up there will be other resources to use.

Spades

[Fresh Fields]

H M S COSSACK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Cossack_(1854)

RootsChat's "seaweed" is very knowledgable with regards to Merchantile crew assignments/manning, shipping movements etc. Not sure about Navy manning.

Alan.

[minniehaha]

Michael I suggest you consider obtaining the printout for the birth of Samuel in 1868. We know the name of Ellen appears on this. As should her maiden name.

Look forward to your response concerning this matter.

Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

Somewhere in my now-burgeoning file I do have a note of Charles Myers' Crimea medal, and will hunt it out. I have at least found the note from the Australian researcher who was helping me, stating that she had found his Crimean War records, serving on HMS Cossack and receiving the Baltic Medal.

This is on Ancestry 
The right hand column is details of the delivery of the medal, so i suspect Charles didn't get his.


 

[mckha489]

At National Archives is this enlistment ADM 139/144/14318
I am sure, Michael, you have this but for the rest of us
I put the details here incase there is a physical description anywhere else.

Charles Myers    no 14318
b London   2nd August 1837   
Height 5ft 4 in
Fair complexion
Brown hair, hazel eyes. No marks
Ship in which he is entered. Waterloo
Date of entry 22 July 1854
Boy 1st Class (which matches the Crimean record)
Date of volunteering 22 July 1854
Period...10 years from the age of 18

and here is his signature incase someone finds another example