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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #36 on: Monday 13 April 20 07:12 BST (UK) »
Not within the brief:

Registration of Marriage in Victoria:

BRITTON
Joseph Abraham
Marriage
MYERS, Elizth
1917
1942/1917

Newspaper report of the wedding:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/146474939?searchTerm=%22joseph%20britton%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=joseph+britton|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1917-01-01|||dateTo=1917-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby

Daughter born 1918:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1641586?searchTerm=%22joseph%20a.%20britton%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=joseph+a.+britton|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1917-01-01|||dateTo=1930-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby

Her birth registration:

BRITTON
Esther
Birth
<Unknown Family Name>, Elizth
MYERS
<Unknown Family Name>, Joseph Abraham
PRAHRAN
1918
6100/1918


Minniehaha.
               
[P.S. There may be some overlapping with information on reply #15.]

HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #37 on: Monday 13 April 20 12:11 BST (UK) »
Re some of the latest posts:
- Yes, Joseph Britton and Elizabeth Myers were my grandparents, and she was Charles' granddaughter. Esther was their Eldest daughter; the next, my mother Sydney (named, I believe, for their home, Sydney Villa, Beaconsfield Parade, Melbourne) was born in England, but as she was born in May 1920, I would assume she was conceived in Australia. But, as Minnehaha says, not within the brief.
- Alan: I was unaware of the "home invasions" by curious Maoris, but it sounds a plausible, if less dramatic, background to the story. I am also interested in your reference to looking at the Waiku Land Grants (suggesting the Militia Myers), and Spades' suggestion that we can discount the 43rd Infantry Myers. My Myers' obituary indicates that he served in the Crimea and the Maori Wars. I think that the tie-breaker is going to be to find where Charles and Ellen Myers and their sons were living during the 1860s.
Thanks
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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #38 on: Monday 13 April 20 12:40 BST (UK) »
Hello again Michael.

Do you have any idea how devout Charles's witness would have been in his teen, and early adult years. Serving at sea and then in Militia would have seen him a long way away from civil populations with places of worship. However such institutions often have archives, that might be worth seeking.

Alan
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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #39 on: Monday 13 April 20 13:20 BST (UK) »
Alan,
No, I have no idea of how observant he may have been; such information just hasn't come down. On the one hand, for a Jewish lad from the East End to enlist in the Navy and then the Army was very unusual and suggests a distinct level of detachment from a religious life - or perhaps, one may speculate, a rebellion from an over-orthodox one? - but he clearly retained his Jewish identity. He was buried in a Jewish cemetery and the family here certainly retains its Jewish identity, though I think most of its members, myself included, are very assimilated and not at all observant.
I retain a pride in my Jewish ancestry, though, and have recently identified a nephew of a 6xgreat grandfather on my father's side who was burned by the Inquisition in Spain. Another on that side - a 3xgreat uncle- was the renowned pugilist and folk hero for the London poor, Daniel Mendoza, three of whose children were transported to Australia in the 1830s; I discovered quite recently that I have more 1st cousins four times removed on that side of the family out there than I ever dreamed of.

As a possible parallel, and qualifier, to your question, I have a big project to find the graves of veterans of the American Civil War in the mainland UK (there is a similar one in Australia and NZ). Of three Jewish veterans I have found here, one was a Henry Magnus, who defied his orthodox parents who had forbidden him to go and fight as he would not be able to observe full religious ritual in the army. He disobeyed, went to fight, and they never spoke to him again. When he returned to England, he changed his name to McGuinness, and died in Nottingham. Another had a battlefield conversion and became a fanatical Christian. The third was an East London butcher and kept up Jewish tradition; he is buried in a Jewish cemetery and, curiously, my father "courted" one of his granddaughters before meeting my mother and marrying her. So, even among that sample of three military Jews, there is no consistency in how they approached their religion.

Michael


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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #40 on: Monday 13 April 20 13:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your in-depth reply.

Why I asked was, I have not done any research into their early Jewish worship in Auckland, like I have for some of the early pioneers and their Protestant Christian faith, so was wondering if we should be searching, to see what records there might be out there. Like you state, a Jewish lad leaving the shelter of his home and family, to go to sea, seemed to my understanding to be a contradiction.

Spent an hour re-tracking through some recent research looking for what I had read, but without luck. However this snippet from the Te Awamutu Museum, re early Missionary Women in the Waikato could be of interest.

"These mission women were often left alone with their children for days. Also there was always the embarrassment of naked men strolling into their homes; or, as Dr. Maunsell found, coming naked to Church."

That being, in part, a reference to friendly local Maori and their limited attire. Remembering also that there were quite a number of half caste youth, some of whom were being raised by their mothers and tribal community.

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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #41 on: Monday 13 April 20 14:05 BST (UK) »
Quite intriguing. While I should perhaps not let my imagination run away with me, and I hope this sort of speculation is appropriate here, maybe I should get an Ancestry DNA test; it would wonderful to find that I was 15/16ths Jewish and 1/16th Maori...

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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 14 April 20 01:05 BST (UK) »
Found a Charles Myers in the Goldminers Database of NZ 1861-1872 by Kae Lewis in the Thames District in 1868 which could be of interest? - link follows

https://kaelewis.com/database/prospector.php?database=gold&mode=results&searchtypeid=1&OldCopies_1=1&Copies_1=1&Value_1_1=myers&Exact_1_1=wil

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Re: UK request for help - Charles MYERS
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 14 April 20 01:55 BST (UK) »
Hi again Michael.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_New_Zealand

The above link will give you some info re organised Jewish establishments, and acquiring the critical mass necessary, to fund the building of Synagogues, where one can assume records would have been  kept / archived. I see the building of a Synagogue in Auckland, did not take place until 20 years after the arrival of your Charles MYERS. That is why my interest in early farming pioneers, has not come upon much info re Jews settling in NZ. Will privately supply more press and Museum links to points of your expressed general research interest.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.