Bethell-McCoy Liverpool

[DVB-Antwerp]

Just took a look again at his death card, says indeed born August 31, which is also the date on the tombstone! Hence the parents are sure. Do birth records mention ages of parent(s)?
Dirk

[CaroleW]

Hi

No - ages of parents are never shown.  It’s a bit of a poser really.  I looked to see if there were any other baptisms but drew a blank.  If earlier ones could have been found it may have given a clue as to whether there was a pre-1837 marriage

No Bethel(l) marriage to a McCoy and the only Maria McCoy marriage was 31.5.1841 to James Spencer - also @ St Nicholas.

[jorose]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSKM-XJD
 - index to police records for emigrants to Antwerp, William Bethell file number 23895 - no other Bethel(l)s

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99H-BZNM?i=958&wc=M6T3-QZW%3A341868501&cc=2023926
 - start of his file (click forward)
Many references from 1882 that I think reference his return to Liverpool (12/13 Bolton Street given as address). Page 964 is his original details, filled out 9 September 1867. Arrived into Antwerp August 1867. Born Liverpool, 17 August 1842. Father William, born Liverpool, deceased. Mother Marie McCoy, born Dundakistom?, also deceased.

A 17 August 1842 birth would fit with a registration in September of 1842 - I can only suggest you get the birth certificate, it might show you some information to cross-check such as addresses and the occupation of his father.

[jorose]

Ah, here we go!

In Belgium there are "marriage supplements" (Huwelijksbijlagen) these are documents supplied at the time of marriage and the ones for Antwerp are online!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9THH-9GDV?i=78&cc=2138481&cat=57143

These are what William provided at the time of his marriage - proof of his baptism and that his parents were deceased.
 - Death certificate for William Cotgrave/Cosgrave Bethell, 1848 aged 29.  (A printer, died in Liverpool)
 - Death certificate for Mary Parkinson, widow of Thomas Parkinson, died at the Liverpool workhouse in 1861 (5th May so might just have made it onto 1861 census?) aged 49.
 - Copy of the Catholic baptism in Liverpool in 1842 as found above.

(Interspersed with translations / certificate of these records)

There are also some records for his wife's side of the family. This is a summary and there is more to be found in the details of those records I'm sure.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5G5-HMR
 - here is the baptism of William Sr in 1818

I think this may be William with mother Mary in 1851, although hard to be 100% sure.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGPP-VPN
There is an 1849 birth for a Maria Parkinson in Liverpool, mother McCoy
She may have died in 1860 (aged 11).

No sign of a marriage for Mary/Maria McCoy to Thomas Parkinson.
Records for Liverpool Workhouse may help?

[ShaunJ]

Jorose has really opened this case up with those amazing finds.

Here is the Bethell family in Whitechapel in 1841:

Mary Ann Bethell 50 Milliner, not born in county     
William Bethell 20 Printer, born in county        
Kate Bethell 20 Milliner, born in county        
Elizabeth Bethell 15, born in county        
Ann Bethell 13, born in county

Mary Ann died in 1863.
Kate/Catherine took over the business
Elizabeth married John Horsfall, the informant on William's death certificate

I'm attaching some directory listings

[ShaunJ]

William Cotgreave Bethell's death announcement from the Liverpool Mercury of 17 March 1848:

[ShaunJ]

Many references from 1882 that I think reference his return to Liverpool (12/13 Bolton Street given as address).

My french is a bit rusty but I think the gist of it is that he had previously lived at 12 or 13 Bolton Street, Liverpool but he had left that town 24 years ago and no-one there would know him now. He mentions Messrs Philips & Son, drapiers, in Lord Street as people who would remember him (probably this was Phillips & Son, woollen merchants, 99 Lord Street).

[CaroleW]

sorry - info already posted

[ShaunJ]

1861 census at 49 Cumberland Street, Liverpool:

Mary Parkinson, widow, 49, fruit dealer, born Ireland
W. Bethell, son, 18, porter (dock), born Liverpool