O'Neill

[Peter Spering]

Thank you wivenhoe.

I'm just been perusing Ancestry trees and I've found multiple trees about the same John O'Neill. Apparently he was born to Joanna Flaherty and William O'Neill in Tralee and remarried after Julia's death. Most interestingly he seemed to spend parts of his life bobbing between Ireland, Australia and England. There's some stuff about William and that whole Australian emigration imprisonment schtick, but I can't work out if he was an inmate or some kind of employee.

I'm going to take a letter I found to the decipher corps on here and see if they can make something of it, since I can only make out every other word.

[Dundee]

I'm just been perusing Ancestry trees and I've found multiple trees about the same John O'Neill. Apparently he was born to Joanna Flaherty and William O'Neill in Tralee and remarried after Julia's death. Most interestingly he seemed to spend parts of his life bobbing between Ireland, Australia and England.

That is just silly.  You would be a lot less confused if you stop looking at Ancestry trees.

Debra 

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry Catholic BDM Liverpool

burial  St Oswalds   Ford Cemetery
O'NEILL Susana  36 Star St Toxteth Park  10 Dec 1856

burial Ford Cemetery
O'NEILL Cornelius 2 Oct 1865  3m   8 St James Terrace  ***

burial Ford Cemetery 
O'NEILL Ellen   26 Mar 1881  40y 20Ct  5Ho Collingwood St


Census 1871 at  Ho6 Court 16 Collingwood St Liverpool
HUGHES Thos.      39y      head     labourer    b. Ireland
HUGHES Hannah   33y      wife                      b. Liverpool  Lancashire
HALIGAN Michael   22y     lodger                   b. Liverpool  Lancashire
HALIGAN Mary A   21y     wife                       b. Liverpool  Lancashire

[heywood]

There is confusion there wivenhoe as we have noted before.
i won稚 post it all as it has been posted earlier.

You mention the Halligan family but there is also

23rd February 1873
Terence Murphy and Mary Ann O誰eill - Father John and address 18 Sefton Square

The Murphys are with the Bramwells in later censuses.

[hallmark]

I'm just been perusing Ancestry trees and I've found multiple trees about the same John O'Neill. Apparently he was born to Joanna Flaherty and William O'Neill in Tralee and remarried after Julia's death. Most interestingly he seemed to spend parts of his life bobbing between Ireland, Australia and England.

That is just silly.  You would be a lot less confused if you stop looking at Ancestry trees.

Debra 

So would we!

[Peter Spering]

I'm just been perusing Ancestry trees and I've found multiple trees about the same John O'Neill. Apparently he was born to Joanna Flaherty and William O'Neill in Tralee and remarried after Julia's death. Most interestingly he seemed to spend parts of his life bobbing between Ireland, Australia and England.

That is just silly.  You would be a lot less confused if you stop looking at Ancestry trees.

Debra 

I was obviously cautious about it, so did try and track down the original person who compiled this, since it's an infection that's spread to many trees. One person I messaged said they didn't even know about any O'Neills and that they must have just blanket copied all the information. With that level of cautiousness, no wonder they've managed to rack up over 63000 people on their tree. Anyway, at least I was right to hold out from changing any established information on my tree and my Wikitree.

It's just frustrating that people can be so careless. In my view, genealogy should be treated as sacred. Here I am spending a week or more just to establish one generation as best I can, and there are some spending thirty seconds on it.

[wivenhoe]

In researching the origins of Julia Joesphine O'NEILL, father Police Constable, married John BRAAMWELL, 1890, Liverpool Lancashire -

* the 1911 Census, with Joseph Patrick MURPHY 34y single b. Liverpool.....and.....James Francis MURPHY 37Y, married, b. Liverpool....recorded as nephews...leads to ....

* Mary Ann O'NEIL, married Terence MURPHY, 1873.

* Your Julia Josephine is possibly the daughter of the John O'NEILL - Julia McNAMEE family.

* Birth, Julia Josephine O'NEILL, 1870, West Derby......mms McNAMEE...is a good fit for your Julia.

* Mary Ann O'NEILL marr. Michael HALLIGAN, 1870...would seem to have a good claim to be the Mary Ann of the O'NEILL - McNAMEE family.

The two Mary Ann O'NEILLS become a problem.

*The Census describes people as relating to head of household....John BRAMWELL. The MURPHY nephews should be nephews of John BRAMWELL, but by the customs of the times, they could equally be nephews of Julia Josephine BRAMWELL nee O'NEILL, which is what we have pursued.

*Are the MURPHYs  BRAMWELL nephews, not O'NEILL nephews?

*If your Julia Josephine is daughter of O'NEILL - McNAMEE family, she is very young when Julia (McNAMEE) O'NEILL died, 1876.   Who raised her?. Where is your Julia in the 1881 Census?

The marriage certificate  BRAMWELL - O'NEILL, 1890.......can you list all the information on it please. There should be addresses....what are they?

[Peter Spering]

In researching the origins of Julia Joesphine O'NEILL, father Police Constable, married John BRAAMWELL, 1890, Liverpool Lancashire -

* the 1911 Census, with Joseph Patrick MURPHY 34y single b. Liverpool.....and.....James Francis MURPHY 37Y, married, b. Liverpool....recorded as nephews...leads to ....

* Mary Ann O'NEIL, married Terence MURPHY, 1873.

* Your Julia Josephine is possibly the daughter of the John O'NEILL - Julia McNAMEE family.

* Birth, Julia Josephine O'NEILL, 1870, West Derby......mms McNAMEE...is a good fit for your Julia.

* Mary Ann O'NEILL marr. Michael HALLIGAN, 1870...would seem to have a good claim to be the Mary Ann of the O'NEILL - McNAMEE family.

The two Mary Ann O'NEILLS become a problem.

*The Census describes people as relating to head of household....John BRAMWELL. The MURPHY nephews should be nephews of John BRAMWELL, but by the customs of the times, they could equally be nephews of Julia Josephine BRAMWELL nee O'NEILL, which is what we have pursued.

*Are the MURPHYs  BRAMWELL nephews, not O'NEILL nephews?

*If your Julia Josephine is daughter of O'NEILL - McNAMEE family, she is very young when Julia (McNAMEE) O'NEILL died, 1876.   Who raised her?. Where is your Julia in the 1881 Census?

The marriage certificate  BRAMWELL - O'NEILL, 1890.......can you list all the information on it please. There should be addresses....what are they?

Hi, here's the marriage record:

[heywood]

My opinion is (from memory though but hopefully all is in this thread)

1901 and 1911 Murphy nephews link to Julia
1891 and birth records Murphys with mmn O誰eill

Mary Ann O誰eill (marriage) and mother Julia O誰eill (death) both have Sefton Square as an address.

John O誰eill, Police Officer found with family including Mary A in 1861.

The children have mmn McNamee in births and baptisms.

I think that this is good evidence for tying all this together.

To be absolutely sure that Mary Ann who married Michael Halligan is not the one from the above family, you would need to check her father John痴 occupation from the marriage certificate.