Ambrose (Manchester) and Barker family (Darlington)

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See Reply #20.

You are not permitted to list names of those who you do not know to be deceased. Hence the use of only initials in the previous reply. You need to remove their names from your post, unless you are certain they are deceased.

You will find their names on FreeBMD.

The AMBOSE family are in Reply #6. I would say that Gerry was Thomas Gerard Ambrose.

A word of caution, if you are looking at family trees on Ancestry, do not believe all you see.

Jamjar

Edited it now, thanks for pointing that out.

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stables where they broke in horses and apparently trained them for Buffalo Bill

I like the look of this in 1901

Drivers Inn, Harrogate Hill, Darlington, all born Darlington

Robert Barker, head, 42,  inn Keeper & Horse Breaker
Frances Barker wife 38
John Barker son 18
Robert Barker son  16
Richard son 5

Thankyou very much for this!!

I received an email from my cousin this morning who has also done some digging in the past, and he sent me some photos. Which say: -


Picture one: - Robert and Frances Barker outside the Drovers Inn, Darlington 1906. (My Grandma Dorothy's Grandad and Grandma who trained the horses for Buffalo Bill.

Picture 2 was her Dad, Robert Barker Junior who was the Chocolate King of the North.

Picture 3 was from a fair where they had a stand displaying their Chocolate.

So the info you have provided is a match.

I need to add these to the tree now and try and get some more info if possible.

Will also need to go through all the other replies you guys have sent me, which again - I really appreciate.

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Find a grave.

Robert , Frances and others.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186069524#view-photo=164658787

Would the year of birth be correct on the gravestone for Frances (1859)? I'm only asking because on the 1901 census link posted, it said the year of birth was 1861 estimated?

(Sorry if this is a 'Newbie' question).

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Either could be a bit out.
They weren’t as fixated on their ages back then. Many people only knew their approximate age.  Often in censuses you can see a huge variation in estimated age.
Eg 37 in one , then say 41 in the next. (If only we could age as slowly)

1859 v 1861 is VERY close.


Added, I usually work on the earlier census being more likely to be correct, or closer to the truth anyway. Especially if a lot of children.

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Either could be a bit out.
They weren’t as fixated on their ages back then. Many people only knew their approximate age.  Often in censuses you can see a huge variation in estimated age.
Eg 37 in one , then say 41 in the next. (If only we could age as slowly)

1859 v 1861 is VERY close.


Added, I usually work on the earlier census being more likely to be correct, or closer to the truth anyway. Especially if a lot of children.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm adding all this information to the family tree, and thanks to you guys, I've made more progress now. Can see going further back, is going to become a problem though.

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Is this their marriage?

Marriages Mar 1942   (>99%)
Ambrose    William    Barker    Darlington    10a   84   
Barker    Dorothy    Ambrose    Darlington    10a   84   

Sadly I don't know the answer to that. I am unsure what year they got married, or if the wedding was in Darlington where my Grandma was from or in Manchester where Grandad was from.

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Here is France’s birth

WRIGHTSON, FRANCES       HEDLEY 
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION  Volume 10A  Page 12


Yes, that Ambrose/Barker marriage  IS theirs, we have confirmed that with the subsequent working.
That question was just us getting going,and it was conceivable that you might have already had that information.

To confirm for sure you would need to buy one of their children’s birth certificates.

[mckha489]

You should be able to work back at least into the late 1700s on some of those lines.
The Irish stuff always gets difficult.
But the Barkers and Wrightsons look quite promising. Especially as the Barkers go into Yorkshire and there are some good records for Yorkshire,

You might want to keep an eye out for a free trial of FindMyPast.

[mckha489]

Fortunately France’s father John Marshall Wrightson liked to add the Marshall, there are newspaper entries (these are on a FindMyPast or you can have a separate sub to British Newspaper Archive).

Eg


17 April 1847 - Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury