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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Girl Guide - I just discovered the 1851 census earlier today.  Her husband Robert has disappeared (I think since around 1844 when their last daughter was born).  They were married in London, but she is from Shropshire and Robert is from Cheshire.

The point of this exercise is to figure out when Robert actually dropped out of the picture and then why. I was quite thrilled to find the 1851 census (through one of her kids actually) but very frustrated to be unable to read the pub name!
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Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Yes he sometimes shows up as an accountant and I think as a solicitor on one doc I saw...
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:24 GMT (UK) »
This is a total stab but there is a Robert Morris in Liverpool Goal in the 1841 census.  No birth place stated, born c1786.

Archive reference   HO107
Piece number   557
Book number   19
Folio number   4
Page number   2
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:32 GMT (UK) »
LOl nothing would surprise me about them. 

I did wonder if he might've ended up in jail for something like embezzlement.  He was born circa 1790 in Halton, Cheshire and their youngest daughter was born in 1740... so it could fit. 

I may be able to find something in the local newspapers to support/deny that ....
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Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Girl Guide - what do you think the marital status reads for Apollonia on that 1851 census?  It doesn't seem to say widowed ...?
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Definitely married.  I can clearly see an Ma and a squiggly r.  The enumerator may have written it as Mard but the r has kind of disappeared.

Added: You may like to consider following up that death I found in 1863 for Apolloma.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi there, yes I know it's her death because I got the DC last week. 

Ok, re the marital status - that jail link seems ever more likely to account for his absence, because on the 1861 census she definitely lists herself as widowed.

So I knew died between 1840 and 1861 - just not sure exactly when yet.

Wow, she must've been one very powerful woman to manage under the conditions she did!!!!
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
Murphy - County Kerry, Ireland; NZ

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 22 March 20 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Okay, so how about this as a possible death for Robert

MORRIS, ROBERT       62 
GRO Reference: 1847  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 1213

Gives a birth year of 1785 which more or less matches the age of the Robert in 1841.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: First part of a pub's name ??? Arms, 1851 UK Census
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 March 20 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Although if Appollonia was saying that she is still married in 1851 would mean that death is not correct.

Depends when she found out that she could call herself a widow.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire
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