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Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« on: Friday 20 March 20 07:40 GMT (UK) »
Ethel Jane Kelly aged seven years died on the 07.01.1930 as a result of an accident at Mokotua east of Invercargill when a Ministerial Train on the Seaward Bush Branch Railway Line collided with a truck.

The truck was driven by her father Arthur William Kelly aged 32 years who also perished as a result of the accident.

Both Ethel Kelly and her father can be found interred in the Eastern Cemetery, Invercargill. 

This accident was well reported in the newspapers of the time both locally and up and down the country.  The Southland Times is not searchable on Papers Past post 1920 either for Ethel Kelly's birth or her death in 1930.

The problem now is that I can not find a record of Ethel Jane Kelly's birth.  This does not appear on Births, Deaths and Marriages Online.  Her death record simply states that she was 7 years of age. 

A number of Public family Trees on Ancestry.Com all record Ethel's date D.O.B. as 1923 an easy assumption I guess.  Family Search gives a similar result

Information for Births on BDM Online is not available unless a birth is more then 100 years ago, hence I cannot search for Ethel's precise date of birth if it is recorded at all.

Ethel Jane's mother is recorded as Rhoda Jane Kelly wife of Alexander William Kelly.  She later remarried and became Rhoda Jane Metzger and is recorded on the Kelly grave site in Invercargill when she passed away in 1971.

Perhaps I am missing the obvious somewhere!! 

Please, can anyone assist with Ethel Jane Kelly's record of birth?

Any help or assistance would be much appreciated.

Alex G aka New Zealander
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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 March 20 08:02 GMT (UK) »
The birth microfiche* are available for searching at the main libraries. [If you can find one open right now!]

*This will provide the year, quarter when registered and place of registration.


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 March 20 08:27 GMT (UK) »

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 20 March 20 08:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the suggestion.   The Invercargill City Library was open this afternoon, albeit very quiet.  No hint of closure yet but remains a possibility.

Will try again over the weekend

Cheers

Alex G
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk


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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 20 March 20 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately the Birth Microfiche records at the Invercargill Library do not not show any birth for Ethel Jane Kelly ???

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Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 21 March 20 00:32 GMT (UK) »
When did Arthur & Rhoda marry?  If after 1923 perhaps she is registered under Rhoda's maiden name
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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 March 20 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol

Arthur William Kelly and Rhoda Jane Collins, Ethel's parents, were married in 1920.  This from NZSG Marriages 1836 - 1956.

Yes, I had thought of that one as well and wondered if Ethel had been registered under her mother's maiden name of Collins.  Unfortunately with the 100 year rule with BDM Online that cannot be searched.  There is no record for Ethel's birth before 1920 on BDM.

Is still odd that the birth is not registered.  Her age of 7 years is given on Ethel's death record.  She must have been born somewhere. 

There is no evidence that the family ever lived anywhere but Invercargill or Southland so she must have been born in New Zealand.

I will try writing to Birth's, Death's and marriages and see if they can provide an explanation.

Cheers

Alex G a.k.a. New Zealander

Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 March 20 01:59 GMT (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Ethel Jane Kelly .. Help Please?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 March 20 02:35 GMT (UK) »

Hello there

Yes have found the birth records for the rest of her family including her big brother killed at Cassino in 1944.  This including photographs of his gravesite in Cassino.

Never thought about the will thank you.

Alex G a.k.a. New Zealander
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk