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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 March 20 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi John,

Brain theoretically working better today thanks, well leastways so far.   :)

It's possible that the shorthand was a form that the young girl developed herself, maybe after seeing something written in shorthand.  I did however think that some of the 'squiggles' looked similar to the examples of Pitman's and Gregg's shorthand shown in Wikipedia, I'll have a look again this afternoon.

It's intriguing that the lines before and after the shorthand are written longhand, was she keeping something secret?

When I used to chair meetings of up to twenty or so people and take the minutes at the same time I used a sort of speedwriting to record things as we went along and that included squiggles for certain words/phrases but as I was never consistent in these abbreviations I always had to type up the minutes that evening before I forgot the content of the meeting, i.e. who said what etc.  I wouldn't have thought that was what the young lady was doing unless she wrote what she did during services, i.e. to record some passage from the bible that she liked or thought appropriate to something personal to her.

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 March 20 13:30 GMT (UK) »
It does appear to be Pitman's, but I can't make any sense of it, even taking into account that it might be a "bible" quote in the King James version language. 

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 March 20 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps the first outline is X - short for Christ?  .... the first ? in ? .. to give/go another the first ? was to know//
how to regulate? (though strictly speaking that outline should use an upward "r" stroke) his conduct so as not to sin against god. 

Sorry, that's all I can see so far.  It does seem to be Pitman though.  There will be an expert along shortly, I hope.

 

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 March 20 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you artifis, shanghaipanda and tillypeg for your valuable comments.
I'll follow up your suggestions tillypeg, there may be something like that in one of the Bible references written down.

Interestingly, this young woman, Margaret Richardson, became a Biblewoman in Edinburgh, then a nurse, and later as Margaret Sievwright, was one of the prime movers in obtaining the vote for women in New Zealand in 1893.
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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 March 20 00:47 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps the first outline is X - short for Christ?  .... the first ? in ? .. to give/go another the first ? was to know//
how to regulate? (though strictly speaking that outline should use an upward "r" stroke) his conduct so as not to sin against god. 

Sorry, that's all I can see so far.  It does seem to be Pitman though.  There will be an expert along shortly, I hope.

Hello tillypeg,
I Googled some of your words and found this site:
https://www.gracegems.org/27/Newcimbe%20guide_to_bible_study.htm
Some extracts:
"A Guide to Bible Study
Harvey Newcomb (1803-1863) was a Congregational minister in England. He edited several journals, including the "Christian Herald," and authored 178 volumes, including fourteen on church history and many books for children and young people. Among his most popular works are The Young Lady’s Guide, How to Be a Man, and How to Be a Lady. Though excerpted from The Young Lady’s Guide, this booklet is valuable for men, women, and saints of all ages.

And, as we obtain this knowledge, we should imitate the Psalmist, who said, "Your word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against you" (Psalm 119:11). His object in hiding the Word in his heart was to know how to regulate his conduct so as not to sin against God. So must we hide the Word of God in our hearts, and for the same reason."

It is possible that young Margaret Richardson had a copy of "The Young Lady's Guide" and some of the Bible references nearby to the shorthand piece relate to studying the scriptures.

Thank you again for your help.
John

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 March 20 23:28 GMT (UK) »
I might be able to read it but need to be on my other laptop as the graphics facilities are better.  Will have a go tomorrow.  Definitely Pitman.

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 08 March 20 08:16 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps the first outline is X - short for Christ?  .... the first ? in ? .. to give/go another the first ? was to know//
how to regulate? (though strictly speaking that outline should use an upward "r" stroke) his conduct so as not to sin against god. 

Sorry, that's all I can see so far.  It does seem to be Pitman though.  There will be an expert along shortly, I hope.


I am wondering if the 'regulate' is actually 'articulate' which would account for the downward 'r' and the 'u' vowel.  I agree with the rest of your transcription Tillypeg;  and I agree that the X is probably referring to Christ.  The final couple of outlines look to me to be 'are below' so perhaps the passages listed would clarify the sentiments expressed here.  The first one is "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me"

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 March 20 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Last outlines could be, as you suggest Greensleeves - "words are below".  I think that is the short form for word?  Doesn't that short form also appear in the middle of the first line?

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Re: Shorthand on Bible flyleaf
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 08 March 20 15:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello Greensleeves, and tillypeg, Thank you for your efforts in transcribing this difficult piece.
Here are the adjacent notes to the best of my ability:
Endleaf (ii)
Compare
John 4 - 8      Heb 12 - 26
Gen 21 - 9      Gal 4 - 29
1 Samuel 19      1 Sam 3 - 16 &
Acts 18 - 26 &      Acts 12 - 22, 23
------ 14 - 15      
John 19 - 27      Acts 8 - 9
Isaiah 7 - 2      2nd Ch 32 - 7 - 8
1 Kings 18 - 40
2 Ch. 20? - 19      2nd Ch. 19 - 2 - 4 - 11
Numbers?….15 &   
1 Kings? 19 - 4 &   Phil 1 - 24
Job 6 - 8 &        L                Lecture?
Jonah 4 - 8      1 Cor 10 - 12
John 13 - 17      It is the Devil's
         masterpiece to make
         us think well of ourselves.

Endleaf (iii)
John 7 - 24      Prob 15 - 1
Rev 3 - 20      ------ 18 - 24
Prob 19 - 17      Psalm 119 - 14
Deut 6 - 17      Acts 9 - 6
---- 32 - 46      1 Pet 3 - 15

Two lines of Shorthand yet to be decoded.

John 5 - 39      Acts 17 - 11
Matth 24 - 35      Acts? 4 - 12         Writing obscured by staining
1 Cor 15 - 55-56-57   
Higgaion means medita
tion   Psalm 9 - 16
The Queen of Heaven
Mentioned in Jeremaiah
7 - 18 & 44 - 17-18 was Astoreth (sic)
called by the Phoenic
ians Astarte "Queen of H."

John