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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 20:11 GMT (UK) »
If it was early 1960s, Frederick would be aged 90+, and I'm not really seeing that in him. If it was mid-1950s, Amory's daughter would still be under 30, and I don't think I'd entirely rule that out, but I wonder if it could be her, earlier in the 1950s. Can the younger woman's hairstyle be dated?

Yes, I take your point Arthur, Fred doesn't look in his 90's in the photo.  It would be Amory's daughter-in-law rather than daughter (if it is her), Amory's son married her in 1950.

I think I will have to have another look through the masses of photos my father-in-law has to find more clues.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Looks like they are fairly well off assuming it is the adults own property where the photograph was taken.

They weren't short of a bob or two.  Fred left £56,000 when he died in 1968, he left £1,000 each to 8 charities!
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Jool , I think she is late teens and no more than 20. I also agree with 1950's. My Aunt had a very similar dress to the one the girl is wearing.

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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 11:42 GMT (UK) »
I did initially think the girl may have been Amory's granddaughter through her first marriage as I think they have similar noses.

I'm not the best on faces, but I had wondered if there was a likeness in the noses. Could Amory have had a daughter or another granddaughter that you haven't yet found?


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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Jool , I think she is late teens and no more than 20. I also agree with 1950's. My Aunt had a very similar dress to the one the girl is wearing.

Hi a-l
Thank you for your input, it's seems we are split between early teens and late teens but pretty much in agreement of 1950's.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 18:35 GMT (UK) »
I did initially think the girl may have been Amory's granddaughter through her first marriage as I think they have similar noses.

I'm not the best on faces, but I had wondered if there was a likeness in the noses. Could Amory have had a daughter or another granddaughter that you haven't yet found?

Hi Arthur, thank you for your interest.
Following your suggestion, I have rechecked my research and I can find no evidence of a daughter to Amory Dorsett and her first husband Arthur Fowler, just the one son born in 1920.
Her son and his wife had only one child, a daughter born in 1951. The son and his wife have passed away, but I am reluctant to name them here as one was quite recent.  I believe Amory and Arthur Fowler's granddaughter is still living.

Maybe someone from the Fowler family will find this post one day and solve the mystery.

By the way, the man in my profile photo, James Dodson, is Frederick's father.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Looks like they are fairly well off assuming it is the adults own property where the photograph was taken.

They weren't short of a bob or two.  Fred left £56,000 when he died in 1968, he left £1,000 each to 8 charities!

As the couple appear to be quite affluence, I wonder if, given their ages, the girl could have been hired help. She looks to be a bit distant, stood at the back. If she were related I would have expected her to be more included and connected to the couple. It's usual for family to show some physical contact in a family group photo, either withhands on shoulders, or seated on the floor in front.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Looks like they are fairly well off assuming it is the adults own property where the photograph was taken.

They weren't short of a bob or two.  Fred left £56,000 when he died in 1968, he left £1,000 each to 8 charities!

As the couple appear to be quite affluence, I wonder if, given their ages, the girl could have been been hired help. She looks to be a bit distant, stood at the back. If she were related I would have expected her to be more included and connected to the couple. It's usual for family to show some physical contact in a family group photo, either withhands on shoulders, or seated on the floor in front.
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A very good point Carol, and one I hadn't considered.  The girl doesn't look comfortable having the photo taken does she.  I will ask Fred's great nephew if he remembers them having "staff".
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 27 February 20 00:01 GMT (UK) »
The woman and girl have similar noses and face shapes, so I think they are related - possibly grandmother/granddaughter or even Aunt/Niece.

With a casual photo such as this I don’t there there is anything to be taken from the fact that the girl is slightly in the background.  :)

Her age is difficult to guess but I think she is in her teens.