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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 01 March 20 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Mystery solved, though it is a shame you don’t know her name.

The family resemblance must be a coincidence, unless there is a more distant family relationship that is unknown.

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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 11:32 GMT (UK) »
I think it is her, looks like you have solved that mystery Jool . Extra photos too, what a bonus !

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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jool, so pleased that you have the answer to who the young girl is. Shame that she is not named but at least you know now, thanks for sharing and giving us the opportunity to find a solution.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your comments on the mystery girl. Even though it turns out she is not related it would be nice to know who she is.

I will post a few details here in case anyone comes across these photos and recognises her as one of their own family.

The couple who befriended her were Edmund Stell (1905-1983) and Ethel Stell nee Dodson (1905-1989) who lived in the Shipley/Bradford area.  They had no children of their own so may have become "honorary aunt and uncle" to this girl.  They had connections to St. Paul's Church in Shipley, they married and were buried there.  Edmund was a sidesman and Ethel was a Sunday school teacher there. Maybe that's where they got to know the girl and her family.

Anyway, the photos are out there now so I hope her family find her  :)
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 20:07 GMT (UK) »
So the ones who went to Yorkshire were relatives of Frederick, not Amory.

But I'm still puzzled about the apparent likeness. And it seems a bit odd that a couple would take an unrelated child halfway across the country to visit people she didn't know.

I see from the 1901 and 1911 censuses that Amory had one brother and 4 sisters (plus another sibling who died). I wonder whether by coincidence any of them could have ended up in or near Shipley, so the girl was Amory's niece or great niece?

Added:
In the Mystery Girl 2 photo above, who are the two women? I see one of them has her arm round the girl. Significant?

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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 12:49 GMT (UK) »
I was thinking along the same lines as you Arthur, and wondered if the girl was a relative though the relationship just wasn't known by Jool's father in law.  :-\ It could be worth looking at any children of Amory's siblings who were born within the estimated time frame.

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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 13:26 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if there are any obituaries/funeral reports of Frederick and Amory's deaths/burials that might mentions lists of mourners that could include her.
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Arthur, Ruskie and Gadget for your continued interest in the mystery girl.  I will try to respond to all of your suggestions and questions in one post.

The ones who lived in Yorkshire were Fred's niece Ethel Stell nee Dodson and her husband Edmund.

Both Ethel and Edmund are in the 4 photos I posted of the mystery girl at the seaside, also in several other photos I have been sent which appear to be taken at the same time.  Ethel and Edmund are the older couple in photo no. 1 which appears to be in another garden, Ethel is wearing the same spotty dress she is wearing on the beach, so possibly the same day. I also think it looks like Ethel with her arm around the girl in photo 2.

So mystery girl was with Fred and Amory in Fred's Wolverhampton garden, and also at an unidentified seaside location with Fred's niece Ethel, her husband, other younger unknown adults and another child (boy or girl?).

I am beginning to think the nose similarity to Amory may be just coincidence.  I can't find any link to Yorkshire for Amory's family as yet.

There is nothing to prove my F.I.L' s suggestion that she was a friend from Yorkshire, and after reading comments here I am now looking for other possibilities.

I have looked in the newspapers for obituaries/funeral reports for Fred and Amory but only found notices of the value of their respective estates when they died.

I have a few more ideas which I am following up.  Does anyone recognise that beach? (I know the scans are not great, I am waiting for F.I.L  to dig out the originals for me - could take some time  ::))
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Re: Help with date and age of girl please with Frederick and Amory
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 19:36 GMT (UK) »
It might be wishful thinking, but is there any resemblance between the mystery girl and James Dodson (your avatar)?

I've blown up picture 3 as much as I can, and I think the other child is a girl - based partly on the cardigan. I don't recognise the beach, but it would be good if you could get a larger scan - we often do quite well on coastal scenes. For now, because of the angle of the sun, I think it might be on the east coast.