Harriett Carroll

[jonwarrn]

Looks like you have identified Herbert! Crowhurst is interesting as I've found a lady there who might be connected Really don't know.

The number 12 given in the newspaper for (Old) School Cottage may not be correct, but, anyway here is a reminder of Harriett Savage and family in Denton in the free index to 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BR-VNB

On one side of the Savages are the Aingers, Mrs. Ainger being Freda here and she and the children were born in India
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BR-VNP

Had a peek the other side (a bit naughty, sorry)
The other neighbours are John and Harriett Andrews.
Here's Harriett in the free index, age 50, a few years older than her husband. Harriett born London Cambdon Town
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BR-VJ7

That sounds like Camden Town, Pancras way. Is there any chance that Harriett Andrews is Harriett Savage's mother?  
Though John Andrews (if it was the same chap) gave evidence for Mrs.Ainger.

Henry Ainger, husband, and John Andrews also gave evidence for the defendant.

1901, they may be in Crowhurst, Sussex, in Battle registration district.
Harriet Andrews, 40, born London Camden Town. Husband John is 35. They have a 13 year old adopted son with them.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNR-HWK

[jonwarrn]

1891 - St Paul Deptford
John Carroll   30   Gen Lab born Peckham
Harriet Carroll   32   Wife born St Pancras
Harriet Carroll   9   Born St Pancras

Have John + Harriet Carroll been found together subsequently?

[heywood]

No, as far as I know.

[jonwarrn]

There's a death of a Harriett Farmer, March 1932, Newhaven, age 75.
Age would be good for the Pancras one, and if she hadn't actually married anyone...

But anyway, I think it's less important at the moment than the stuff that has come up for Harriett born 1881. Which looks good.
John

[heywood]

It all looks good,Jon, well done.

The certificates might help untangle the various folk.

I don’t think that Burt Gearing has any connection at the moment - looks to be Albert who is an inmate in 1891 but seems to have parents not connected by any of the Carroll etc names.

Have we got young Harriet in 1901?

[jonwarrn]

Have we got young Harriet in 1901?

No, I don't think we have. It's one piece of the jigsaw that is still missing.

[jonwarrn]

Throw in a school record
Frankham Street School
Harriett Caroll, admitted 6.2.90
born 12.4.81
parent/guardian John Carroll
address Mill Lane
previous school None

With regard to John Carroll and Harriet Farmer, there is a newspaper snippet.
May 1890 Kentish Mercury
John Edward Carrol accused of assaulting Harriet Farmer of Mill Lane.

Not much more in the report, 16 May
Greenwich Police Court
Yesterday
John Edward Carrol, 33, dealer, of Mill-lane, assaulting Harriet Farmer, at Mill-lane, on the 13th inst.—lt appeared the prisoner came home and kicked Farmer, who was taken to an hospital.—Fourteen days hard labour.

[heywood]

Her birthdate confirms that she is the right one 

[wiltshire21]

Thank you for all the information it has been very useful. As I understand it my ancestor Harriet married a Charles Carroll in Dorking in 1899 but this wasn't his real name - could this have been Herbert Mitchell ?  I know she married Arthur Savage in 1909, would the 1st marriage be annulled if the husband married under an assumed name ?