Harriett Carroll

[wiltshire21]

so far she has used the name Farmer, Carroll, Mitchell and Hanns before Savage , this highlights my problem ! Also why would she say Rose is born in Dorking when it appears she was born in Sussex as were her siblings

[KGarrad]

Rose's birth is registered in Ticehurst Registration District, which spans parishes in Kent and Sussex?

See Trish's earlier reply.

[heywood]

Rose's birth is registered in Ticehurst, Berkshire?

See Trish's earlier reply.

Is that the right Rose? Is her mother Harriet?

You have now changed the registration county - that’s better 

[heywood]

There is a marriage

December 1899 Dorking 2a 343
Charles Carroll and Harriet Farmer are on the same page 

[heywood]

Marriage

Charles Carroll 26 yrs labourer Church St Dorking father, Thomas Carroll, cowman
Harriet Farmer 20 yrs, Horsham Road, Dorking father John Farmer (deceased) Labourer
Witnesses Charlotte Webster and William James

[Neale1961]

John Farmer a labourer (Age 44) married Harriet Hearnden (widow age 40) on 24 Oct 1880 at St. Paul, Deptford, lewisham.
His father Thomas Farmer.
Her father William Green.

[heywood]

I had thought she might be here  - Harriet’s mother maybe?
1861 115/59/59

George Farmer   46 yrs
Hannah Farmer   45 yrs
Harriett Farmer   4 yrs b Pancras
Elizabeth Farmer 1 yr

This is just a thought though. We don’t know if Harriet was Farmer at birth or not.

[Annette7]

My gut instinct here is that Harriett was indeed born Farmer - this maiden name given for daughter Harriett Hilda born in Brighton 1910.

She states in 1911 (as already stated) that she was born in St. Pancras and in 1939 as born 12/4/1881.  The birth shown as 13/4/1881 St. Pancras Workhouse (posted by wivenhoe), illegitimate daughter of Harriett Farmer sure sounds good to me.

I suspect the 1891 family in Deptford is probably Harriett, young Harriett and now supposedly married to a John Carroll.   Cannot find a marriage between John Carroll and Harriett, nor find them together after 1891.   Suspect they were never married at all which can explain why Harriett would be confused between Farmer and Carroll as being her true surname.   Her earlier children could have been fathered by a 'Mr. Mitchell' - the bit that throws me is her marrying Arthur Savage with the surname 'Hanns'??

Can you please, as has been asked already, give us all the details that are on the 1909 marriage certificate?

Annette

[Neale1961]

Harriet Farmer has her birth registered 1881 St Pancras.
No mothers name listed.