Missing Kelly Family

[gnorman]

Hi All, I've been looking through all of my trees and have one relative I cannot seem to get anywhere with.

John Kelly was born in Oldham on 28th Feb 1848 to Joseph Kelly and Harriot Kelly nee Scanlon (living somewhere called New Bank in Oldham). I have them on the 1851 Census living together at Paulden Street, Waterhead, Oldham but with the surname spelt Kelley. I know that John married Sarah Fitton in July 1871 at the Registry Office and they had a son, James William Kelly in 1872. I have just found another potential son called Joseph Kelly who was born in 1874 but died aged only one year.

John and Sarah then fall off the map a little - I have no census with John on after 1851 at all and I cannot find Sarah either on the census after they marry. Their son James W is listed as living with his maternal grandparents in 1881 & 1891. Sarah reappears in 1895 in Oldham, listed as a Widow for her second marriage to Robert Stott.

I cannot find any other information on John though - am I missing something obvious? Can anyone help to plug any of the gaps please? If Joseph is indeed his child they may be buried together but I cannot find a grave in any of the cemeteries.

Many thanks for your time, Luke

[lancsann]

what was John's occupation?

there is this one in 1871

   
Name   Age
James Davenport   60
Mary Davenport   53
Jane Davenport   23
James Davenport   14
Sarah Davenport   11
Rachael Baron   48
Chas Pat Kelley   17
John Kelley   23 - boarder - house painetr born Oldham
Josh Hy Kelley   20
Margaret Eyre   26
Ann Gavins   30

[lancsann]

there are these 5 with mmn Scanlan rather than Scanlon

   KELLY, CHARLES       SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1852  J Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 08D  Page 530

   KELLY, JOHN       SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM  Volume 20  Page 129

   KELLY, JOSEPH  HENRY     SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 20  Page 81

   KELLY, CHARLES  PATRICK     SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 08D  Page 515
 
   KELLY, HARRIET  ANN     SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1855  J Quarter in OLDHAM  Volume 08D  Page 506

[gnorman]

Lancsann, John's father was listed as a painter at his birth, at the wedding John is an Iron turner but I think youve found him here. I knew about John's sister Harriet but I didnt know of his brothers, thank you!

At first I thought John may have been in the army or in jail for some of the time he is missing but because he and Sarah disappear I'm wondering if they went abroad or something.

Thanks for all your help Lancsann : )

[lancsann]

just realised in that 1871 there re also John's brothers Charles Patrick & Josh Henry which I think confirms it is your John

[lancsann]

just found another probable sister

KELLY, MARY  MARIA     SCANLAN 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 82

[lancsann]

do you have Joseph in 1881

Joseph Kelly   55 - house painter
Charles Kelly   28
Harriet Bolland   26
Mary Kelly   21
Thaner Bolland   3  gandchild
Margaret Bolland   2 grandchild

[RonOne]

Lancashire Online Parish Clerks has the following:

Baptism: 5 Oct 1845 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Esther Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Harriet (formerly Scanlan)
Born: 7 Apr
Godparents: James Clarke; Rosanna Rhodes
Baptised by: Edmd. Hogan
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1852, Entry 2
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 23 Aug 1850 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
John Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Hariott (formerly Scanlan)
Godparents: Bridget Reilly
Parents' Marital Status: con.
Baptised by: James Hogan
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1852, Entry 11
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 23 Aug 1850 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Joseph Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Hariott (formerly Scanlan)
Godparents: Bridget Reilly
Parents' Marital Status: con.
Baptised by: James Hogan
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1852, Entry 12
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 24 Jun 1852 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Charles Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Harriet (formerly Scanlan)
Born: 3 May
Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1855, Page 5
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism: 4 Sep 1853 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Charles Patrick Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Harriett (formerly Scanlon)
Born: 29 Jun
Godparents: Peter Morris; Margaret Loftus
Baptised by: Edmd. Hogan
Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1855, Page 18
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism: 1 Apr 1855 St Mary RC, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Harriett Anne Kelly - [Child] of Joseph Kelly & Harriett (formerly Scanlan)
Born: 14 Mar
Godparents: John Burns; Mary Reardon
Parents' Marital Status: conj.
Baptised by: Michl. O'Hara
Register: Baptisms 1852 - 1855, Page 36
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston

Baptism: 21 Mar 1865 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Margareta Kelly - filia Josephi Kelly & Henriettae (formerly Scandelin)
Born: 7 Feb 1865
Abode: 7 Brown Cross St.
Godparents: Maria Parker
Baptised by: B. Desplenter, M.C.
Register: Baptisms 1863 - 1867, Page 255
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 31 Mar 1870 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Maria Kelly - filia Josephi Kelly & Henriettae (formerly Scanlan Rigby)
Born: 15 Sep 1851
Abode: 7 Brown Cross St.
Notes: Sub condne.
Baptised by: B. De Splenter, M.C.
Register: Baptisms 1867 - 1872, Page 367
Source: Original Register

[gnorman]

Lancsann, no I didnt have that census but I do now - thank you!

RonOne, I also had none of these baptism details, great stuff indeed.

Thank you both