Thanks for the replies and links oldohiohome. I did make a start a while back thinking I could do an 1830 to 1840 census comparison looking at males under a certain age in 1830 and then cross-checking to 10 years later. I gave up as I don't know when Norman arrived in NYC other than before the 1850 census so any 1840 families that didn't have a male of the correct age bracket could have been either dead or moved away (possibles) but then there were also families that did have a correct aged male still in Rutland County so he could still have been there also. I had 9 families in Rutland County in 1830 by the way - Fair Haven (2), Poultnery (2), Rutland (2), Brandon, Castleton and Mount Holly. I hammered the FamilySearch records and found nothing also. I was convinced with the first name Norman this would be a walk in the park but alas.