Looking for Ellen McGrath and William Desmond Murphy

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Reply #14

I posted re McGrath/Roache

I had forgotten   

Forgotten what?   

[heywood]

Check out these post's, https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728248.9
this info was posted
And the church marriage gives William's mother's name
9-Jul-1900       
Parish / District:   St Mary's Parish      County:   Co. Waterford
Husband      Wife
Name:   William   Murphy      Ellen   McGrath
Address:   Kildare      Irishtown
Denomination:   Roman Catholic      Roman Catholic         
Husband's Father      Wife's Father
Name:   Edward         Laurence           
Husband's Mother      Wife's Mother
Name:   Margaret   Cochran      Margaret   Roache:         
Witness 1      Witness 2
Name:   Michael   McGrath      Honor   McGrath         
Notes:
Officiator: MEAGHER G. Place: ST MARY'S CLONMEL. Comment:
*DECEASED**KILMOLASH.DISPENSATION FROM BANNS


From the first lot of info it says both William and Ellen 's fathers are dead. In the second lot of info it has Williams mother as Margaret Cochran

I think I want to scream   
I have deleted the information about the marriage above - it has been dealt with in this thread already but you also had it from a while ago.

However the above information re the Church records is  new to this thread (but not to you) and throws all the Murphy/Sweeney information into doubt.

According to this his mother was Cochran so the one found b Fethard does not seem likely.

[Karytay]

Sorry heywood, This tree is! what can I say. I though we had it all tied up and finished. sigh!

Which now curses huge confusion.  I have not been able to find death notices for neither William or Ellen's fathers, looked at all the counties. Nor, like you any info on a Margaret Cochran. And differently no marriage for her and a Edmond Murphy. 

A nothing thing, I am now questing the death notice I have found for William. There is no mention of the other wives on the death notice, either the new wife did not know about them, which I think is unlikely.

I will have to go back and look at every William Murphy in South Africa and there are quite a lot. Not as many as Ireland but still a lot.
 

[heywood]

1901 census says William is born Tipperary.
I think the military record found ties in too with an enlistment of 1878.

The births found to Edmund Murphy and Margaret Sweeney were Clonmel or  Cashel, I think, and then Thurles. There are so many deaths for Edmond Murphy, many of which are not yet transcribed so it is going to be quite a task.

[hallmark]

If Edmund was a Policeman in the county then neither he or his wife can be a native of that county!

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From the first lot of info it says both William and Ellen 's fathers are dead. In the second lot of info it has Williams mother as Margaret Cochran

What details are on William's siblings Marriages?

[heywood]

Hallmark,
The ‘siblings’ we have for William have the mother Margaret Sweeney.  On the births we have that Edmond was a labourer (around 1870s) and the marriage I posted for a possible sibling Andrew, his father was an Agent, as he was, I think.
They may now not be relevant.

[hallmark]

Hallmark,
The ‘siblings’ we have for William have the mother Margaret Sweeney.  On the births we have that Edmond was a labourer (around 1870s) and the marriage I posted for a possible sibling Andrew, his father was an Agent, as he was, I think.
They may now not be relevant.

I think so but  they thought they had it all tied up and finished so just wondering about siblings,,,

[heywood]

This is from that previous thread

Hi Sarah thanks for info

I have received the following details from maggsie & cath 151 (1) date of birth 5.10.1860 (2) born county Tipperary (3) brother named John born 1856  (4) the following still to be confirmed :- (1) was his wife's name Ellen (nee  McGrath)  (2) where can a 'vault' copy of his birth certificate be obtained and @ what cost ?

Thank you,

regards

Bmur

We have
William Murphy baptised 11 September 1862 Fethard Tipp. With parents Edmund and Margaret Sweeney
John Murphy baptised 12 August 1860 Fethard - Edmund and Margaret Sweeney
There are others.

Two posters - Maggsie and cath151 - on that other thread have given contrary information re births. Maybe you can find out what records  that information comes from.