Looking for Ellen McGrath and William Desmond Murphy

[dathai]

I make the names on the marriage out as Edmond Murphy and Margaret Sweeney

William born 11th Sep 1862
left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632714#page/38/mode/1up

Edmond jnr 1871 at Pike St
58
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03296/2207922.pdf

Martin 1865
65
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03572/2316465.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

Heywood is there any Irish records pertaining to the Police ?

I see on William Murphy and Ellen McGrath marriage record that Williams father Edmond Murphy was a policeman

Have a look at the index ‘Royal Irish Constabulary Service Records 1816-1922’, available on Ancestry and FindMyPast.

Also, this site is useful.
https://irishconstabulary.com/

KG

[Karytay]

dathai, thanks for clarifying Margaret's surname. and for the other to sons births. Apparently there was a son by the name of John as well born about 1856, I tried the archive but get no results. So I must be doing some thing wrong. I see what for I fill in the info the search form asks ? 

[Karytay]

thanks Kiltaglassan I will do that

[hallmark]

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains Years etc for Civil Reg.

You might find Marriages for Siblings 1880 or 1890's.

or Deaths of children 1864+

[hallmark]

Forgot to say....if you are checking records one can Right click on names and 'Open in New Tab' 4 or 5 at a time, much quicker!

Few interesting ones there but wouldn't have time to check them all.

[Karytay]

thanks hallmark for advise

[heywood]

I make the names on the marriage out as Edmond Murphy and Margaret Sweeney

William born 11th Sep 1862
left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632714#page/38/mode/1up

Edmond jnr 1871 at Pike St
58
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03296/2207922.pdf

Martin 1865
65
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03572/2316465.pdf

Another birth
Andrew Murphy 1867 - looks as though error made in reporting as a birth for Patrick is crossed out.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03464/2272135.pdf

The difficulty is that there are so many Edmond Murphys. We know that these and William have parents Edmond/Margaret Sweeney.
It is recognised that sometimes errors/lies are given on records.
Is it the right William?

Here is an 1897 marriage for an Andrew with father Edmond (dead)

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10449/5805109.pdf

Andrew b Tipperary in censuses

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Railway_Place/1115785/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part_of_/Washbrew_Lane/391443/

[Karytay]

It must be the right William, have not found a William born in 1860 so the closest is the one born in 1862

Just learned he got married a third time, went back to Ireland and married Clanden Frances (Murphy)
then came back to South Africa were they had a daughter Clanden Frances Murphy who married in South Africa to a van Vuuren.

William died 9 Oct 1954 in Lichtenburg, Transvaal South Africa. Finial found his death notice. Unfortunatly there are no parent names and birth just Ireland. it says he was 94 and 4 days when he died. Which works out to 5 Oct 1860

I was told that he had severely brothers, and William ran away from home joined the army in 1878

It looks like Edmond Murphy died before 1900, His wife seams to be remarried at the time of Williams marriage to Ellen McGrath. Mother is now Margaret Cochran

Ellen McGrath's parents Laurance McGrath and Margaret Roache