Looking for Ellen McGrath and William Desmond Murphy

[heywood]

She would/should be Murphy though

[hallmark]

She would/should be Murphy though

Should be....BUT she has baby 3 months after Marriage, he's in Curragh, on Census shortly after she's in Athlone with baby, she is on African Cert as dying "at home" shortly after

Thinking "outside the box"....could he have been written off and a McGrath/Mc Grath registered her death as a McGrath/Mc Grath?

[heywood]

I have looked but can’t see anything - could well be there though.
I have looked Clonmel, Athlone and Athy but who knows.
It may not be straightforward

Her Husband was William Desmond Murphy b. 5 Oct 1860 Clonmel,

How do you know that was her husband without any census or marriage info?  I mean where has the information come from.

Milliepede I got her husbands name from family and her South African death notice that was filled in by her husband. For some reason there was a controversy about her death William wrote a letter of oath confirming that Ellen died in Ireland.

On that death notice, William is quite precise with the death date and place
21st December 1902
At Farm, Kilmolash, Clonmel
Age 30 yrs and 4 months

If this is correct, the death would likely be registered in 1903. Maybe it was not registered 

I wonder if he had to complete the oath for a new marriage?

[heywood]

Maybe there would be a military record somewhere for William 

[hallmark]

I agree BUT very precise on Birth of daughter too... 

I did this search and just looked at any of correct Death age.

[Karytay]

A possibility
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632714#page/38/mode/1up

William Murphy baptised 11th September 1862 - parents Edmond Murphy and Margaret Sweeney?

Heywood I think you have found William I have just heard that his mother was Margaret but the family could not tell me her surname.  What I do not understand is why does he call himself William Desmond Murphy

Yes to the new marriage of William, that is possible why he wrote an oath. He married for the second time in 1911 in the Orange Free State SA.
About being a soldier he could of being waiting to be called up to fight in the Anglo Boer War. But ended up going to South Africa after the war in 1910.

Thanks Hallmark for the census

[heywood]

The census shows him in Royal Irish Reserves.
This might be informative
https://www.nickmetcalfe.co.uk/the-royal-reserve-regiments-and-the-royal-garrison-regiment/

[Karytay]

Thanks

[heywood]

Fold3 is a subscription site    https://www.fold3.com/choose-a-plan  but there is this record shown

William Murphy , 18 yrs b abt 1860
Birth place:  Frethard, Jipperary (transcribed as such)
Enlistment year 1878
Regiment:   69bde
Regimental Number:   69bde/2077
Attestation Paper: Yes

According to another Rootschat thread about a different soldier

Infantry Brigade Depots lasted from 1873 to the reforms of 1881. Pairs of single battalion regiments (26th Foot and above) were formed into Brigade Depots. The 1st to 25th Regiments already had two battalions so their Depot consisted of these.

The 69th Brigade Depot was based in Clonmel (Tipperary) and comprised the two battalions of the 18th (Royal Irish) Regiment.
Ken

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713851.0