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Re: Bathurst Property Winburndale
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 February 20 06:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks majm and all others.

I have found a classified entry on Trove for the re lease of the Winburndale property on 14 October 1841, https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2554704 (5th column)
this is 7 years after the original entry and coincides with the original lease term of 7 years.

Perhaps there a are several properties in the area, one being Winburndale another Winburndale Brook.
I have also checked the historical records online of the NSW Land registry but had no luck in finding the property.

I will leave this query open as someone may eventually come up with some answers.

Thanks
Rod
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Re: Bathurst Property Winburndale
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 05 February 20 07:13 GMT (UK) »
Yes,  the 'new' iteration of what was the Land Titles Office has been a huge disappointment to many family historians.  It is now in the hands of private enterprise, a for profit venture.

I am convinced there's many a digitised parish/county map that has become lost in the handover, particularly those from prior to the 1860s and the Robertson Land Acts etc NSW 'Freehold' title introduced in about 1858 I think,  but the Surveyors Office had existed with teams of Draftsmen (free and assigned) since at least John Oxley and of course after his death in around 1828, Thomas Livingstone Mitchell...   The first Surveyor General of NSW came with the First Fleet in 1788. 

Bathurst District maps ... the website currently does not seem to have any from earlier than 1885 for the (civil) parishes of Duramana or Peel or Winburn in the County of Roxburgh ... and I am quite sure that Winburndale Rivulet is in Peel and Winburn  ...    And that it was named by Lachlan Macquarie back in 1816...  - as per NSW Geographical Names Board here: https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/public/geonames/ea957a28-e523-40e1-83b8-9b2d6808df61

And they have GDA latitude and longitude for the locality of Winburndale, on their 1:25000 Map ...  Parish as Eskdale, in Roxburgh County.    https://proposals.gnb.nsw.gov.au/public/geonames/75eb8caa-d84b-4ccd-9cd6-c81cc4bb0863

https://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/

 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/county-parish-maps-guide


From the 'new' website for the NSW Land Registry Services  ( ::)  ::)  ::) a com.au site)  https://hlrv.nswlrs.com.au/  they advise that we should experience :

"A smoother journey through history: New Historical Land Records Viewer launches

Explorers of New South Wales history will enjoy a smoother journey thanks to the newly enhanced and expanded Historical Land Records Viewer (HLRV), which launched on 25 June 2019.
HLRV is the New South Wales Land Registry Services online application to view digitised historical maps, plans, titles and indexes. It contains more than 6 million digital records from 62 collections.
Users can access HLRV online via the Online Portal or at: https://hlrv.nswlrs.com.au "


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Re: Bathurst Property Winburndale
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 05 February 20 23:04 GMT (UK) »
It is my understanding that Winburndale was more than just one property. To me, it refers to a locality, various farms, perhaps a small village with a glebe, or a common … not just to one farm.  One branch of my NSW families are reflected in my avatar, and the Hawkesbury district family also farmed across the mountains in the Bathurst District with many mentions of Winburn Dale in the family papers from as early as 1819 through to the mid 1860s …

So, I am fairly sure there’s plenty of sightings of Winburndale farm that should help you work towards pinpointing Morrisset’s farm …  to be found in Trove, perhaps in the Gov Gazette section rather than the Newspapers … but definitely  for land grants with or without purchase (so grants given in the 1820s without the Crown receiving any financial reward are ‘without purchase’,) even though it seems almost impossible to access the online maps from lps for the 1820s and 1830s.     

To me, that great find by Jamjar giving the description of the buildings etc is pointing to it being one of Samuel TERRY’s properties, so I have concentrated on that aspect and note that back in 1826 Samuel TERRY’s steel mill was nicked from his property (station) at Winburndale…  Steel mill = milling wheat into flour !  :) see the Supreme Court mentioned here  Sydney Gaz 13 Feb 1828 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2189907   and of course :
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/terry-samuel-2721

Also, I am including my partial transcription - 1827 for George Thomas PALMER’s land as it may well be helpful to your quest, particularly if you were to compare with various versions of the 1828 NSW census for that district.   
My transcription of part of a digitised image re NSW land grants Reg Gen’s Deeds Rego Memorials 1826-1831.   
Image 311 of 691.
Twenty Seventh and Twenty eighth days of August 1827

Thomas Fitzherbert HAWKINS Esq of Bathurst (NSW etc) 
TO
George Thomas PALMER Esq of Parramatta (etc)

All of that piece or parcel of Land containing 2000 acres situate lying XXXX (could be o?ed) being in the County of Roxborough and Township No. 4 bounded on the West side by a line north 232 Chains, bounding Sections 1, 2, 3 and 24 chains of Section 4; on the North side by the Government reserve being East 80 chains to the western boundary of Township No. 2; on the East side  by that boundary – bearing South 236 chains and South 55 degrees; West 66 chains to Macquarie River and on the South side by that river …..   

And some observations from Trove newspapers

Colonel Morrisset has become the purchaser of a noble farm on the Winburndale Rivulet, from Mr George Palmer, where he purposes retiring as soon as the buildings now projected shall be completed.  https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2198476  Sydney Gaz 4 June 1835

And so, back in  December 1829,  George Palmer had a superintendent, Mr J LIVINGSTONE in charge at Winburn Dale, Bathurst Plains … https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32072960 ?  Sydney Monitor 26 Dec 1829.

As an aside,  The Registrar General position mentioned is actually part of the history of the NSW BDM and of the NSW Land Titles office.   It starts as a senior Admin position with the first NSW Supreme Court ... that Court's Registrar.   He certified baptismal, burial, marriage records and of course these were 'deeds' so he kept a record of what he certified ... land deeds, debt deeds, bdm deeds etc.   So the Early Church Records that NSW BDM has (the 'V' series on the registration nos.) initially were deeds of the Registrar General of the Supreme Court and when NSW BDM was established (1856) it was under the Registrar General of the NSW Land Titles Office.  It was still under that in the 1970s  :) when if you wanted to look up BDMs you walked DOWNstairs at the NSW Land titles office.   ;D (and you took your own feather duster or else !)

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Re: Bathurst Property Winburndale
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 05 February 20 23:37 GMT (UK) »
The 1980 New South Wales Electoral Roll polling at Turon, has entries for several surnames with the following addresses :
Winburndale, Peel.

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