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A British woman marries a French captain. What happened next? [EDITED]
« on: Sunday 19 January 20 17:42 GMT (UK) »
I don't generally pursue my cousin lines but my curiosity has been piqued by a first cousin of an ancestor who apparently married a French captain in France. I would love to know if they had children and descendants but FamilySearch yielded no results and I am feeling out of my depth on the French sites. Can anyone help or at least point me in the right direction so I can have a better go at it myself?

Frances Louisa Petch d/o William Heath Petch married Captain Theophile Marcelin Besson at a Reformed Church in Batignolles in 1856. Her name was registered in the marriage as Francoise but I am not sure whether she retained the French form of her name. I am also not convinced she adopted the name Besson. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X9F9-BH9?cc=1582585

There are other details on the marriage reg that I can't quite make out. Although they married in Batignolles, Theophile was in Lyon at the time of his death in 1890, and a retired captain. His only kin was named as Petch. http://www.beaune.fr/IMG/pdf/7z_faire_part.pdf

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HEATH, WOODCOCK (Midlands)
GILBERTSON (Shetland), HOY (Fife)
NEWMAN (Bath), NAILER (North London)
VICCARS, GEORGE (Buckinghamshire)
CHAPMAN, SWAIN (Lincolnshire)
HAIGH, HAGGAS, BEEVERS, WALKER (West Yorkshire)
AYRE (Bishop Auckland), POTTER (Norfolk)

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 January 20 19:40 GMT (UK) »
There are other details on the marriage reg that I can't quite make out.

My best effort at a translation:
17 April 1856.  On deposit of the certificate of civil marriage
contracted the same day at the Town Hall of Batignolles
Theophile Marcelin Besson, captain in the 23rd [Regiment] of the line,  13 Rue d'Autin(?) Batignolles
son of Ambrose Besson deceased and of Marie Augustine
Besson deceased and Francoise Louisa Petch daughter of
William Heath Petch and of Elisa Phillips deceased
received the nuptial benediction through the
Ministry of Louis Vernes pastor of the Reformed Church of Batignolles
Signed below with the couple & the witnesses


I have kept the translation as literal as I can.



ITheophile was in Lyon at the time of his death in 1890, and a retired captain. His only kin was named as Petch. http://www.beaune.fr/IMG/pdf/7z_faire_part.pdf

The link is to an index.  Looking at the other listings, it seems that the line "Familles: Petch" simply means that Petch is the only surname which has been linked to T M Besson.

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 January 20 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Geneanet has an reference to Francoise-Louisa PETCH dated 1916  - but it requires a Premium Membership to access it - which I don't have!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01owh/

the literal translation of the snippet is: of the succession of Mme Francoise-Louisa Petch, who had her lifetime residing at Lyon.....

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 January 20 21:17 GMT (UK) »
The Geneanet reference is to a notice in the newspaper Le Salut Public naming the administrator designated by the court to administer the estate of Françoise-Louse PETCH and requesting beneficiaries and creditors to make themselves known within a fortnight.  It states that Françoise-Louise PETCH, widow of Théophile Marcelin BESSON, late of 11 cours Lafayette, Lyon, died on 2 February 1916.

Judith
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)


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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 January 20 21:36 GMT (UK) »
On another subscription site there is an entry in the Bulletin des Lois - I suppose the London Gazette would be a rough equivalent - stating that Capt. Th-M BESSON ceased active army service on 31 January 1863, married on 17 April 1856 (as you know), died on 12 January 1890 and was in receipt of an army pension, so 1,100 francs pension would be paid to his widow Fr-L PETCH, born on 2 January 1834 in Calais, living in Lyon, from 13 January 1890.

You say you don't know if Françoise-Louisa used the Besson surname.  As you may know, a woman doesn't lose her maiden name on marriage in France so you would expect to find it on any official or legal documents.

Judith
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 January 20 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Théophile-Marcelin BESSON is recorded in the Archives de Lyon as dying on 12 January 1890 - so I think the two figures were inverted somewhere along the way.  He was living at 32 cours du Midi at the time.

He was born on 20 June 1812 in St Laurent-en-Gradvaux, Jura.

He was awarded the Légion d'Honneur on 11  March 1857: see
www2.culture.gouv.fr/LH/LH017/PG/FRDAFAN83_OL0225040v001.htm

Judith
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 January 20 02:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both so much, you've been very busy during my night hours!

The Geneanet reference is to a notice in the newspaper Le Salut Public naming the administrator designated by the court to administer the estate of Françoise-Louse PETCH and requesting beneficiaries and creditors to make themselves known within a fortnight.  It states that Françoise-Louise PETCH, widow of Théophile Marcelin BESSON, late of 11 cours Lafayette, Lyon, died on 2 February 1916.

This would suggest they were childless, am I right? They lived long enough to have had children but it does rather seem that they might not have done. Are there any online BMD-type databases I can search for Lyon and Batignolles? I wonder if she kept in touch were her Lincolnshire and London family.

You say you don't know if Françoise-Louisa used the Besson surname.  As you may know, a woman doesn't lose her maiden name on marriage in France so you would expect to find it on any official or legal documents.

Yes, I thought as much. I doubted myself because Theophile's parents were both called Besson on the marriage registration. They were probably related.

He was awarded the Légion d'Honneur on 11  March 1857: see
www2.culture.gouv.fr/LH/LH017/PG/FRDAFAN83_OL0225040v001.htm

Wow - a year after their marriage! I wonder what he did. Was there ever a reason for a successful French captain to end up on the Lincolnshire coast in those days or can we assume that Francoise had already moved to France (or possibly London first) for her own reasons?
HEATH, WOODCOCK (Midlands)
GILBERTSON (Shetland), HOY (Fife)
NEWMAN (Bath), NAILER (North London)
VICCARS, GEORGE (Buckinghamshire)
CHAPMAN, SWAIN (Lincolnshire)
HAIGH, HAGGAS, BEEVERS, WALKER (West Yorkshire)
AYRE (Bishop Auckland), POTTER (Norfolk)

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 January 20 04:29 GMT (UK) »
On another subscription site there is an entry in the Bulletin des Lois - I suppose the London Gazette would be a rough equivalent - stating that Capt. Th-M BESSON ceased active army service on 31 January 1863, married on 17 April 1856 (as you know), died on 12 January 1890 and was in receipt of an army pension, so 1,100 francs pension would be paid to his widow Fr-L PETCH, born on 2 January 1834 in Calais, living in Lyon, from 13 January 1890.

Now this is interesting - she was definitely christened on 13 Feb 1831 at Laceby and remained there at least until the 1851 census. Could she have been 'of Calais' at the time of her marriage instead? Though the family were in remote and humble circumstances, they were well-connected to the Petch and Heath families in London. Her father's middle name (Heath) suggests that one of these relatives could have been his godparent. I do wonder if she had accompanied a wealthier cousin or uncle on one of their visits to France as a kind of protegee. I'll do a little more digging on that side. {EDITED DUE TO ERRONEOUS CENSUS DATA}
HEATH, WOODCOCK (Midlands)
GILBERTSON (Shetland), HOY (Fife)
NEWMAN (Bath), NAILER (North London)
VICCARS, GEORGE (Buckinghamshire)
CHAPMAN, SWAIN (Lincolnshire)
HAIGH, HAGGAS, BEEVERS, WALKER (West Yorkshire)
AYRE (Bishop Auckland), POTTER (Norfolk)

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Re: A British house-servant marries a French captain. What happened next?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 January 20 07:16 GMT (UK) »
He was born on 20 June 1812 in St Laurent-en-Gradvaux, Jura.

He was awarded the Légion d'Honneur on 11  March 1857: see
www2.culture.gouv.fr/LH/LH017/PG/FRDAFAN83_OL0225040v001.htm

Judith

The large age-gap between the couple is notable - 1812/1831

Looking at the wiki for the 23rd line regiment, it looks like they took part in the conquest of Algeria from 1830-1857 - he could actually have been in Algeria from the moment of his entering service. The conquest culminated in the capture of resistance leader Lalla Fatma N'Soumer in 1857. She seems to have been a Boudicea-like character. She was captured in July, which means this can't be reason for the award, but perhaps Theophile had previously conducted himself well in other Algerian campaigns.

Whatever the truth is, it does feel like the plot of a dramatic novel is starting to take shape! I really do hope they have descendants.
HEATH, WOODCOCK (Midlands)
GILBERTSON (Shetland), HOY (Fife)
NEWMAN (Bath), NAILER (North London)
VICCARS, GEORGE (Buckinghamshire)
CHAPMAN, SWAIN (Lincolnshire)
HAIGH, HAGGAS, BEEVERS, WALKER (West Yorkshire)
AYRE (Bishop Auckland), POTTER (Norfolk)