Calne - BUTCHER

[JEB01]

Hi,
I would much appreciate any help in finding baptismal details for my x3 grandfather William Butcher.
William married Fanny Pickett at Calne Parish Church on 24/2/1844.
He was “of age” so I suppose over the age of 21 years.
His father was also William - “labourer”.
This William was a jobbing stonemason. He and Fanny moved to London, where he died on 23/10/1872. His death certificate gives his age as 50, indicating a birth year of 1821 or 1822.
The 1841 Census has William living at the oddly named “Quarr in Stock Tything Calne” with his father William, his sister Elizabeth, and, I believe their stepmother Sarah (whom I believe father William had married in 1828).
The Census gives 1821 as the birth year if both William and Elizabeth, but of course this can’t be relied upon.
Elizabeth married William Morley in Calne on 28/8/1841 as “a minor”.
She died in 1901, said to be 78 years, suggesting a birth year of 1823.
I can’t find any baptismal record for either William or his sister Elizabeth.
It would be good to have formal confirmation of their parents, so that I can be sure that my subsequent research of their father William is for the right man!
Any help appreciated. Thanks!

[medpat]

Might be of help locating the father's birthplace or where he worked, Quarr is on the Isle of Wight and there's a Quarr Abbey also there.

[JEB01]

Thanks for that reply.
William’s father, also William, came from Bremhill, near Calne, if it’s the right man.
He was baptised there in 1793.
There is certainly a Quarr Abbey on the I of Wight, but the 1841 Census refers to residence in “Quarr in Stock Tything, Calne”.

[glenclare]

There is still an area in Calne now called Quarr Barton.

It is possible that they were living in tithe housing belonging to one of the major landowners in the area? If so it could be a description of the property rather than an address. I had relatives that rented spare properties not needed for estate workers. 

I checked all the Calne churches for baptisms last night but did not find any Butchers.
Now I know the Bremhill connection I will check there.

I think if I found the correct first marriage for William, then one of my ancestors was a witness.

[glenclare]

Is Selina Ann Butcher an older sister of William and Elizabeth?

[JEB01]

Thanks for your replies glencare - interesting.

I think you are probably right about the housing. The elder William Butcher was a road labourer all his life. He died in 1873, aged 80 years.
After his second wife Sarah died in 1852, he went to live with his married daughter Elizabeth (Morley) and her family at 11 Lansdowne Row Calne.
As you know I'm hoping to find baptismal confirmation that the elder William was the father of the younger William, and of Elizabeth, although I'm pretty sure he must have been.

The elder William was I believe married to Ann Duck in Calne in 1817. The witnesses were Benjamin Rivers, and Janet (or Jane?) Angell. Is this the marriage you were thinking of?

I've seen the name Selina Ann Butcher, but as far as I am aware she is no relative.

Thanks again 

[Capetown]

Baptism at Calne 1817

Jane daughter of William (labourer) & Anne BUTCHER - of Calne.


Marriage- 17 September 1837

At the Chapel of Winsley - in the Parish of Bradford, Wiltshire

John MORTIMER - of full age, bachelor, Sawyer - residence: Bradford




father: John MORTIMER - Sawyer

Jane BUTCHER - Minor, Spinster, of Bradford, father William BUTCHER labourer

witnesses: Joseph MORTIMER and Joseph ROGERS

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On the 1851 census - Jane was born in Calne.

On the 1841 Census, John MORTIMER and Jane - + two children are on Page 11 of 13 - for Calne, District 1 - the BUTCHER family are on page 13 of 13

[JEB01]

Capetown, many thanks.
That fills in another small part of the jigsaw!

[glenclare]

The reason I asked about Selina is that there is an online tree that has four children for William Butcher and Anne Duck. The oldest is Selina. Just enquiring if you thought there were other children, before William?

If Selina is William the younger’s sibling, then it may be useful info that Selina was not baptised until she was an adult.

Yes that is the marriage in 1817 I meant.
Have you seen the 1827 death for Anne Butcher?