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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 16 January 20 19:11 GMT (UK) »
  Where does one find something like the enumerators route? Should there be something of the sort with all the censuses? I have been back and forth through our local one (several villages) for 1881, and can find nothing.
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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 January 20 00:02 GMT (UK) »
  Where does one find something like the enumerators route? Should there be something of the sort with all the censuses? I have been back and forth through our local one (several villages) for 1881, and can find nothing.

Page one of each census book has the enumerator’s route.   :) Some give more detail than others and there is often just a vague outline.

Depending what you are looking for, for more detail it is best to do as you do and “walk” the route yourself taking note of each resident and/or address. I generally consult a modern and old map as I take the “walk”.

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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 January 20 10:10 GMT (UK) »
   Unfortunately the one I tested starts at page 1, (stamped page 4) and I can't move back from there, which is presumably where the extra information is. These are rural areas with groups of villages in one book, probably done by several enumerators. Perhaps I hit on a bad one to test, as I have sometimes come across extra pages, though not routes, which are sometimes fairly random, as far as I can follow them.
  Villages did not have addresses, even in 1911, many just give their address as the village name, or at best "the Street"!
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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #12 on: Friday 17 January 20 13:12 GMT (UK) »
   Unfortunately the one I tested starts at page 1, (stamped page 4) and I can't move back from there, which is presumably where the extra information is. These are rural areas with groups of villages in one book, probably done by several enumerators. Perhaps I hit on a bad one to test, as I have sometimes come across extra pages, though not routes, which are sometimes fairly random, as far as I can follow them.
  Villages did not have addresses, even in 1911, many just give their address as the village name, or at best "the Street"!

I got nosey and tried an 1841 census where I know it was a rural area with various places in one book as you described. Though I couldn't find/get to the enumeration district description pages on FindMyPast by paging back, they were there on Ancestry though didn't give much detail other than to define the area of the district, but any extra info can be useful.

May I ask which census ref you tried and on which supplier? I'd like to see if the same applies in the case you tried.
 
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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #13 on: Friday 17 January 20 15:17 GMT (UK) »
  It was 1881 on Findmypast. I will try Ancestry - I have a temporary membership at the moment.
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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #14 on: Friday 17 January 20 15:32 GMT (UK) »
  I have checked Ancestry. They do have some enumerators notes, but you can't page from one village to the next! You win some, you lose some.
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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 18 January 20 04:19 GMT (UK) »
  I have checked Ancestry. They do have some enumerators notes, but you can't page from one village to the next! You win some, you lose some.

The next village is likely to be in the next enumeration district, so no, you wouldn't be able to automatically move from one to the next.

Some villages can be divided into several districts ... in the description you might see something along the lines of "from the west side of X village starting at X road, south as far as Y road, then to the east side of Z street including the houses ABC" (a poor example but I hope you get the idea). As I understand it there would be a different description in a different book of another part of the village.

I don't have a subscription to a FindMyPast or Ancestry at the moment so can't give you any specific or useful examples.

If there is a way to find adjoining enumeration districts I'm sure someone will know.

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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 18 January 20 10:28 GMT (UK) »
in Ancestry if you go to the breadcrumbs at the top, a drop down box will appear with the other districts, a small village will only have a few.  read first page of each to read the route.

Lugg/Freeman/Caddy- Cornwall
Dayman/Hobbs - Devon
Brett/Clark/Hicks - Middx/Essex/London
Miles - Northampton
Woodruff/Proctor/Worth - Midlands/NE/Wales

http://www.familytree.chatandthat.co.uk/

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Re: How to find out how an old street name and number translate to a modern address
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 18 January 20 11:14 GMT (UK) »
  I have checked Ancestry. They do have some enumerators notes, but you can't page from one village to the next! You win some, you lose some.

Thanks for looking, I find it helpful to know more about how and where to find info..

As cbcarolyn says, via Ancestry you can use the dropdown menus at the top  to view each separate district and from there can see the enumeration district descriptions which will be the first page in each set.

Boo