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Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« on: Wednesday 25 December 19 21:17 GMT (UK) »
My mum's middle name was Martin, her cousin's middle name was Lawrence.

This has always puzzled me, has anyone found something similar in their family tree?
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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 21:23 GMT (UK) »
They may have been called after people with Martin and Lawrence as surnames.

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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 21:31 GMT (UK) »
Lots of females have Martin as a middle name - just search freebmd births for *Martin in 1910 (do not specify surname) to see a few.

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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I've got one - Emma Henry Ware, daughter of Cyrus Henry Ware.  There was no occurrence of Henry as a surname in this family.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis


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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 22:27 GMT (UK) »
It would usually be a son who would be given their father’s first name as a middle name.

Did they have sons?
Were your Mum and her cousin the first born in each family?
What middle names were Martin and Lawrence’s other children given? Are there any themes?
Are any family who might know the answer still living?
Are these the only two examples you have found in your family?

I don’t pretend to know the answer and unless you can find someone who knows for sure, it can only ever be speculation. I am just trying to see if there might be a reason for this in your examples, hence the questions. If there are only two it doesn’t see to be a tradition I wouldn’t say.  ;)

Even if you find other families have done the same, they may have different reasons for doing so, and I don’t know that there was any kind of tradition regarding this.

Both Martin and Lawrence are fairly common surnames so if you find other females being given similar middle names, it could have been the mother or grandmother’s maiden name. Further research would be needed to confirm.

Surnames as middle names is pretty common for both males and females. If females were named to honour their fathers you might expect to see feminine versions of the father’s name, but maybe their mothers didn’t like this idea.  :) (and the feminine version of Lawrence is?   :-\  )

Just my take on it .....

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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 23:07 GMT (UK) »
My wife's middle name is Whitfield, which was inherited from a grandfather and his father.  Her mother thought it was something to do with a small village of that name, but it was actually a common family name from Alston in east Cumberland.  Hardly a useful name for a girl though.
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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello -

My grandfather had a sister named Maria Joseph McKernan. She had a brother named John Joseph.

Nora Joseph Barnacle married James Joyce, who was at school with my grandfather in Dublin.

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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 December 19 23:50 GMT (UK) »
Middle Eastern countries do the same and the masculine middle name indicates who the girls father is.

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Re: Daughters with father's forename as middle name
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 December 19 00:17 GMT (UK) »
And there's good old Lizzie Andrew Borden, named in honor of her father [not that it did him much good in the end].
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis