Mary J Carpenter

[Mariel Mariel]

"..Family records have Mary still in Uralla in 1905 but then she disappeared".

What are these records?  How is Mary identified to be in Uralla?
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Records = Stories passed down from generation to generation…. I have all the info and docs I need on the rest of the family; both parents and all other siblings.I have Mary's birth certificate but cant find a marriage or death certificate. Family say she ran away.

[majm]

I am just popping a couple of links that may be of interest to others following the thread, as they may have offline resources and the spare moments to look further 

  to the obit for Job Ernest CARPENTER, one of the sons of Joe and Sarah CARPENTER, and so a brother to Mary J.   Job  Ernest's burial was to Guyra cemetery, and in November 1950 he had three surviving brothers and two surviving sisters, Mesdames P Walls, and F Onslow.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174009966  Guyra Argus 9 Nov 1950.

  to the obit for Mrs Sarah CARPENTER at Tenterfield hospital 16 Oct 1935, relict of the late Job Carpenter of Stannum.   Stannum is around 170 kms north of Uralla.  She was buried with her late husband, at Glen Innes, and was the mother of Mrs T J FRASER and a number of adult grandchildren are named in the article in the Inverell Times. 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184627938 Glen Innes Examiner 17 Oct 1935
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184676483  Inverell Times 18 Oct 1935

So it seems to me that Mary is not the only one who was not mentioned in her mum's obit.   I have not looked for her dad's obit, but I suspect he died in 1927 as per NSW BDM online index of deaths.  Perhaps I have the wrong family, I am not sure. 


JM

[sparrett]

Hi,
I am just harking back to wivenhoe's comment about Sarah's death certificate.

It seems to me likely that Phoebe FRASER, (nee CARPENTER) who was the woman referred to in the obituary, was the person who informed for the making out of the certificate.
You will of course know if this is the case or if it was another.
As the eldest in the family, she would have had a good perspective on events and in completing the certificate details, would have been asked whether each sibling is living or deceased.

What was her reply in the case of Mary?

Sue
 

[Jennaya]

Hi,

Have you checked the 1902 marriage #4854  registered Quirindi for a Mary J CARPENTER and a Walter TURNER?  I have only looked at the online index.  1889 + 12 = 1901, and NSW law at that time allowed girls to marry at age 12,  but consent would have been needed and should be noted on the registration.

JM

I would definitely follow up JM find. This date drills down to 02/06/1902. This couple then had a daughter, Grace, on 06/09/1902.   No 35155/1902 at Quirindi.

Back in that era things were covered up and stories changed. Perhaps she had run off with someone and a quick wedding ensued.

Regards
Jennaya

[Jennaya]

What children are listed on Job's death certificate? This information would have been supplied by his wife Sarah.

Regards
Jennaya

[Robert Coble]

 Jod and Sarah Children:

1. CARPENTER PHOEBE
8913/1879
JOB
SARAH
URALLA

 2. CARPENTER GEORGE
24477/1881
JOB
SARAH
URALLA
D: CARPENTER GEORGE
24409/1919
JOB
SARAH
TENTERFIELD

3. CARPENTER JOB
27144/1883
JOB
SARAH
ARMIDALE
D: CARPENTER JOB ERNEST
32044/1950
JOB
SARAH
GUYRA

4. CARPENTER MARY
31471/1889
JOB
SARAH
URALLA


5. CARPENTER PEARL
34646/1890
JOB
SARAH
URALLA

6. CARPENTER ARTHUR
4404/1892
JOB
SARAH
ARMIDALE

7.D: CARPENTER MAY
2053/1894
JOB
SARAH
ARMIDALE

8. CARPENTER ALBERT
8236/1895
JOB
SARAH
URALLA
D:  CARPENTER ALBERT
9954/1963
JOB
SARAH
TAMWORTH

9. CARPENTER RUBY
12973/1897
JOB
SARAH
INVERELL

10. CARPENTER DOLLY
31189/1899
JOB
SARAH
INVERELL


DIED:
 CARPENTER ERNEST JOHN
4372/1954
JOB ERNEST
SARAH
TENTERFIELD

[majm]

Obit for Mary's dad
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184214878  30 December 1926 Glen Innes Examiner

A very old resident of Deepwater district, Mr Job Carpenter, passed away in his sleep at his home at Stannum on Sunday night.  ..... For a few years .... residing at Stannum, previous to which he had been living on his property at Pye's Creek.

NO mention of his wife or his children.

Do we know which town Mary J went to and did not return from back in around 1905?  Uralla, Glen Innes, Deepwater, Tenterfield, Emmaville, Inverell, and various other localities in the district. 

ADD

NSW ER 1902 GWYIR, polling Kangaroo Camp
Job CARPENTER, Paradise Creek, farmer

Paradise Creek on the NSW government’s historic maps should be in the:
Parish of Balaclava & Newstead
County of Gough
Land district of Inverell
Pastures Protection District of Inverell
Local Government authority of Macintyre Shire
And
Parish of Flagstone
County of Gough
Land district of Glen Innes
Pastures Protection district of Tenterfield
Local government district of Severn Shire

See also
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678243.0 (Geographical Names Board)

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777978.0  (Land Registry Services)  and https://hlrv.nswlrs.com.au/ and
https://www.nswlrs.com.au/About/About/Announcements/48



JM

[Mariel Mariel]

Thank you everyone for your time but there doesn not appear to be anything new in this information. I will continue my research.

[majm]

NSW Electoral Rolls 1930 TENTERFIELD, polling at Deepwater
Ernest John CARPENTER, Sugar Loaf, Stannum, grazier
Job Ernest CARPENTER, Sugar Loaf, Stannum, grazier

Mary Josephine CARPENTER, Tenterfield Street, Deepwater, home duties

Maud Rebecca CARPENTER, Bolivia, home duties
Sarah CARPENTER, Sugar Loaf, Stannum, home duties.


I can see Mary Josephine CARPENTER, Tenterfield Street Deepwater on the various rolls  up to and including the 1949 roll.



JM