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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #126 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:07 GMT (UK) »
Arabella G is the middle sister - I do have certificates for her but cannot access them
MINTON, MURPHY,  SHEPHARD/SHEPHERD, WHITEOAK, WONNOCOTT,
WOOD, HARRIS.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #127 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:29 GMT (UK) »
No mother is mentioned in Maria’s list of notices.

Maria did leave an In Memoriam for her father in 1902. Can’t see one for her mother.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #128 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:35 GMT (UK) »
What are the parents’ names of the missing Mary?

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #129 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:41 GMT (UK) »
JM and JamJar
Hansard reports by .pdf 03762, Clause 25, that persons in a common lodging house could be
removed to hospital if suffering "from fever or any infections or contagious diseases".   Given the pious attitudes prevalent in late Victorian era (1880s) what are Mary's chances of finishing up in hospital after having had a babe die from congenital syphillis?
Thanks for the tip JM
MINTON, MURPHY,  SHEPHARD/SHEPHERD, WHITEOAK, WONNOCOTT,
WOOD, HARRIS.


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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #130 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Names of Mary's parents unkonwn, no birth certificate, claimed to be 18 in May 1867 which means she could have been born june 1848 to April 1849
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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #131 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:44 GMT (UK) »
I'd say high seeing the babe died from syphillis.

No headstone inscriptions for the Minton's or Maria W.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #132 on: Monday 09 December 19 08:52 GMT (UK) »
so next question - how to get access to hospital records?   I tried but they all seem to be on either microfiche or micro-reels (if there is such a thing).   
MINTON, MURPHY,  SHEPHARD/SHEPHERD, WHITEOAK, WONNOCOTT,
WOOD, HARRIS.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #133 on: Monday 09 December 19 09:17 GMT (UK) »
And the question after that is, I guess, who infected Mary and whom did they infect?   Because syphillis is highly contagious, was incurable in those days and must have cut a swathe through the people with whom Mary and ?  were in contact.   So if it were E.T. Foley, or an alternate Edward Foley, he would have been lucky to have descendants and there would have been infant mortality/stillbirths and adult illnesses/deaths - which should show up in his family tree.    :'(    How sad!
MINTON, MURPHY,  SHEPHARD/SHEPHERD, WHITEOAK, WONNOCOTT,
WOOD, HARRIS.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #134 on: Monday 09 December 19 22:39 GMT (UK) »
And the question after that is, I guess, who infected Mary and whom did they infect?   Because syphillis is highly contagious, was incurable in those days and must have cut a swathe through the people with whom Mary and ?  were in contact.   So if it were E.T. Foley, or an alternate Edward Foley, he would have been lucky to have descendants and there would have been infant mortality/stillbirths and adult illnesses/deaths - which should show up in his family tree.    :'(    How sad!

I am without medical qualifications, so from Doctor Google searching this morning 'Symptoms may then show up when the infant is 3-14 weeks of age. In these cases the mother probably acquired the infection during the later part of her pregnancy. '    So, E T Foley was the person on the various records as the landlord or householder etc.   In red light districts in Sydney (there were several) that person may well have been a 'stooge' and was not ever the 'actual' person who 'ran the girls'  ...   The oldest profession in the world ... being enslaved by economic circumstances and lack of community and employable skills thus needing to be a 'pro'.    E T Foley is the least likely candidate to be the infector, he was the stooge on the paperwork, he took the fall for the unclean household charges. 

Just my opinion.

Question...  I have looked at the online version of NZ BDM ... The marriage earlier than 1875 will be scant on info, (no parents etc) but ... the most likely entry on their index does NOT mention Thomas MINTON...  I know the online index has flaws particularly for that early pre 1875 marriage regos.  but ...  should you be looking at NSW records under the surname MUSSON for Mary, as the NZ BDM may have her marriage :
1873/11035
Mary MURPHY and Thomas Tims MUSSON

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search

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