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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #81 on: Sunday 08 December 19 21:51 GMT (UK) »
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189266985#source   Zone A, Presbyterian Section 06B, Grave 4244.  aged 48 days.  3 Dec 1882, Rookwood.   Perhaps infant buried with an adult female as per usual practice of not leaving an infant unattended in a lonely grave. 

ADD,  I won't be able to get to Rookwood until around Easter 2020, sorry.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #82 on: Sunday 08 December 19 21:59 GMT (UK) »
if that is Mary's infant's burial it's strange because she was definitely R.C.   She and husband married by catholic priest (Brighton, Tiromoana, NZ).  Expect that's why they didn't divorce.
Sorry, have to go - shearer coming ...
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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 08 December 19 22:02 GMT (UK) »
Also, Mary's baby exactly 28 days old ...
Please don't go to Rookwood until we have something definite for which to go.
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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 08 December 19 22:40 GMT (UK) »
no others with that surname on the NSW BDM online index for deaths between 1 Sept and 5 Dec 1882.  #2320  and surname not recorded for 1882 burials at the following index https://catholiccemeteries.com.au/deceased-search/
but is recorded at the following index with those details for Presbyterian burial.
http://www.rookwoodcemetery.com.au/

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #85 on: Sunday 08 December 19 23:21 GMT (UK) »
At Rookwood Roman Catholic,  the indexes have Mary A MINTON, aged 29, death 19 April 1886,  but .... ages can be mis-read off headstones...  I think for example that '48 days' is a mis-read and the 1882 lass is in a Presbyterian grave....

Anyway, the Mary Minton buried at Rookwood 1886 is here: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WY-SXZ and other indexes ... except NSW BDM ...  where there is the slightest of chances that she has been indexed under a burial but not a civil death ...
CRAMP  MARY A M  .... Vol 154 is NOT available on microfilm at NSW Archives ... and it is totally speculations on my part, with nothing to back it up at all except given name... 174/1886 V1886174 154  Line 174 could be April, but I have very little reason to have ever sought out Vol 154 and my retired NSW BDM rellies say 'not as reliable as the original bound volumes;'.  If and only if it comes down to that bdm doc, ... keep it as a pending.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #86 on: Sunday 08 December 19 23:56 GMT (UK) »
NSW Police Gazettes 26 Sept 1883, page 370 (second of three pages at the following trove link)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/252054152/27958165
Mary Minton, Jones street, Ultimo, someone stole four dresses from her.     Ultimo is not far from Central Railway.  I have walked Country Platforms to umm... Forest Lodge...  :) but not in this century.

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #87 on: Monday 09 December 19 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Exerter Place was not a good neighbourhood.  Even South Australian newspapers carried tragic news of that street ...

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197782878  Evening Journal 6 March 1883. 

Evening News,  (Sydney) 5 March 1883  ... at 13 Exeter Place...
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107233020   Witness names mentioned in that cutting. 

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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #88 on: Monday 09 December 19 00:37 GMT (UK) »
Some thing odd ...
The four children handed over in May 1877 as destitute children ... they were handed over and received back (back March 22 1878,) all actions undertaken by their father, of Kent Street,  and their paperwork shows the religion for all four children as Prot as in Protestant...  although I also notice that the paperwork has their three year old as 'Brother to the three preceeding' when SHE is clearly a girl.   :o

So my question is ... is this the same Mary that you have as of 20 Exeter Place on that birth cert in 1882 ... or is it the same because the birth document has the 'right' names, occupations of parents etc ..  So, looking at the NSW 1882 birth cert,  does that document list the names and ages of that baby's older living siblings?  Do they line up with the details (names and ages) of those four children on the destitute records ... The informant provided that info, no one needed to provide proof of those details,  just provide verbal info.   :)  :)


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Re: Mystery Man Edward Townsend Foley
« Reply #89 on: Monday 09 December 19 02:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi, JM,
All the evidence that we have points to it;   First, the b.certs for the last 2 children (the illegitimate and the previous legitimate one) both registered bdm nsw show date and place of marriage and previous issue;  previous issue shown as 2 males 2 females living for the legit, 2 males 3 females living for the illegit (tallies);  only discrepancy is that the legit one is a year out as to year of marriage.   Both precisely name the father, occupation, birthplace; and both gethis age wrong - the legit one by 4 years, the illegit one by one year.   The informant for both births is the mother;  the legit child is present, the illegit is not.   The legit child's birth is registered one month and  few days after the birth;  the illegit babe has birth and death registered on the same day, a day after the date of death.   The signature of the informant on the illegit birth and death cert varies from itself although it was signed on the same day;  it bears similarities with the legit birth cert signature but Mary seems to have had a habit of changing the way she made her  "M".   As to husband committing the children - I guess if his wife deserted him and he had to work, there might not have been too many options;  the eldest child, a boy, was then 9.   Shortly after the committal he advertised that he would not be responsible for Mary's debts.  Children released back into his care 9 months later.     
MINTON, MURPHY,  SHEPHARD/SHEPHERD, WHITEOAK, WONNOCOTT,
WOOD, HARRIS.