Edward Monaghan

[heywood]

I would doubt that there was a father Edward.
You have:
Edward Monaghan baptised 1869 parents Ross Andrew and Ann Monaghan.

Does Edward’s birth certificate show a father?

Ross Andrew marries in 1874

It looks as though mother was Ann, no father but invented father on marriage and an error re mother’s name in later census.

[redclover]

Yes the baptismal entry shows the father as Ross Andrew and the mother as Ann Monaghan.

A relative obtained a copy of the birth certificate and told me that it has Ann Monaghan as mother but the space for father is blank.

From what i can gather, both the Monaghan and Andrew families lived on Fleet Street so maybe the father, Ross Andrew was 'persuaded' to attend the church ceremony.

[heywood]

Maybe - I am not sure if it would be compulsory for his attendance at the baptism but I think he would have to be there if his name was entered on the civil certificate.
The Andrew family lived close to Fleet Street on Mill Lane.
Ross Andrew died in late 1890s, leaving a substantial amount of money, it would seem.

[redclover]

I see what you mean.

I gather the £5354 he left would be about £700,000 in today's money.
How does an 'overseer of rates and collector' amass that sort of money by the age of 47?

His father James died in 1880 and left £400.

[heywood]

His wife, Mary Ann died 1929 and left £4000+

Perhaps he invested well.

[heywood]

Just for noting

1891 3276/33

46 Fleet Street A u L

Ann Goulden, lodger, widow, 55 yrs b Kilmainham, Ireland

I thought I had seen County Mayo as a birthplace for Ann (if it is the right one)

Here it is

1901 3785/118/2

Ann Goulding 64 yr widow b County Mayo

Now would Kilmainham (1891) and County Mayo (1901) sound similar to an untrained ear?

There is a death in 1908, Ann Goulding 66 yrs.

Does that fit into your time line for Edward’s records?

[redclover]

Just for noting

1891 3276/33

46 Fleet Street A u L

Ann Goulden, lodger, widow, 55 yrs b Kilmainham, Ireland

I thought I had seen County Mayo as a birthplace for Ann (if it is the right one)

Here it is

1901 3785/118/2

Ann Goulding 64 yr widow b County Mayo

Now would Kilmainham (1891) and County Mayo (1901) sound similar to an untrained ear?

There is a death in 1908, Ann Goulding 66 yrs.

Does that fit into your time line for Edward’s records?

Kilmainham and County Mayo wouldn't sound the same to me, but I lived in Ireland for seventeen years and know the importance of Kilmainham. To the untrained ear maybe.

As a district of Dublin, Kilmainham is a very specific place whereas County Mayo is very general. Who knows.

The death of Ann Goulding in 1908 would fit. Worth some investigation especially as Edward indicated  his mother was Ann Goulding, in his discharge papers.  Maybe she adopted this spelling later in life.

[heywood]

Yes I agree re the two places sounding different to someone in the know.
Generally too, place of birth was either Ireland, or County ... but all forms are found.
Kilmainham might have been known as Ashton had a military barracks but again - who knows.

We have Meenaghan in Mayo and I see Monaghan there too. My Mayo Golden great grandmother is also Goulding on at least one record but Ann seems to be Goulding mostly.

Hopefully, though you have got a bit closer to solving your Edward’s origins.

[redclover]

The most promising record for Edward, son of Ann Monaghan is the 1881 census record showing James Goolden, Ann Goolden and Edward Monogue.

RG11 Piece 4036 Folio 51 Page 15

This gives Ann's year of birth as 1845 and place of birth as Ireland.

Checking Irish birth/baptismal records for 1840-1850, I have only found two possibles.

Anna Monaghan baptised 1844, daughter of Thoma Monaghan and Brigida Brien, at Saggart  on the edge of Dublin.

Ann Monaghan baptised 24/7/1842, daughter of Thomas Monaghan and Bridget Monaghan, at Kildress, Tyrone.

I think it's time to step back, gather together all the records and review what we have. Thanks.